Composition of TF34

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

So if there's all these ships over on the US east coast and there's all this fuel just laying about, why isn't it being used already?

I didn't say there was; I was putting it out there as a possibility. Also, the fuel for a crossing might be held as strategic reserve for just such an eventuality, or a final ReForGer, or something along those lines.

However, as was pointed out, the shipping came from German ports anyway, so it's a non-issue.

[Targan]

Here is the link to my previous post listing the USN assets detailed in A Rock in Troubled Waters:
http://forum.juhlin.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=23
Raketenjagdpanzer, there are some other excellent posts in that thread by other members here which may also be of value to your TF34 musings.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

I didn't say there was; I was putting it out there as a possibility. Also, the fuel for a crossing might be held as strategic reserve for just such an eventuality, or a final ReForGer, or something along those lines.

However, as was pointed out, the shipping came from German ports anyway, so it's a non-issue.

I'm going from memory here, but didn't reinforcements of sorts (mainly USAR Light Divisions) sail from the US to Europe in either late 1998 or sometime in 1999 - Civgov to Yugoslavia and Milgov to Germany?

If that's the case then not impossible that there was only enough fuel available at the time for these ships to only make a one way journey and some of them could now return to the US as part of TF34?

Just a thought...

[Legbreaker]

Something else to keep in mind is just because ships are available, doesn't mean they'll be allowed to be used by their owners. What about all the other nations involved and how are they going to feel about the US grabbing every last bathtub able to float across the Atlantic? Image how Britain for example would react to seeing "their" ships being rounded up by the remnants of the US navy and sailing off into the sunset!

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Something else to keep in mind is just because ships are available, doesn't mean they'll be allowed to be used by their owners. What about all the other nations involved and how are they going to feel about the US grabbing every last bathtub able to float across the Atlantic? Image how Britain for example would react to seeing "their" ships being rounded up by the remnants of the US navy and sailing off into the sunset!

That's a good point. I presume the Germans must have signed off on the idea of some of their remaining merchant fleet going on what was a one way journey to the US (it was stated that the oil would burn out the ships' engines wasn't it?) as part of the deal.

However it also supports the theory that if there are any US ships sitting tied up at Bremerhaven after bringing over reinforcements in 1999 they would be incorporated into TF34.

[Canadian Army]

Just to keep the debate going here are some ship that could be used:

USS Oriskany (CV/CVA-34), an Essex-class aircraft carrier.

NS Savannah, the first nuclear-powered cargo-passenger ship.

USTS Empire State V, Training ship for the State University of New York Maritime College until 1990.

USS Sequoia, the former United States presidential yacht.

MS Pacific Princess, a cruise ship owned and operated by Princess Cruises.

USS Range Sentinel (AGM-22), a missile range instrumentation ship.

SS John W. Brown, one of two still operational Liberty ships.

USCGC Eagle (WIX-327), a barque used as a training cutter for the United States Coast Guard.

Delaware II, a fishery and marine resource research ship of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

RV Laurence M. Gould, an icebreaker used by researchers from the United States' National Science Foundation.

USS Sanctuary (AH-17), a Haven-class hospital ship that served in the U.S. Navy in World War II and the Vietnam War.

SS Wild Goose; John Wayne's former yacht

USS Potomac (AG-25), formerly the USCGC Electra, Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s presidential yacht from 1936 until his death in 1945.

USS Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. (DD-850); a Gearing-class destroyer of the United States Navy.

USS Salem (CA-139); a Des Moines-class heavy cruiser of the United States Navy.

[simonmark6]

The Eagle is mentioned in the Challenger articles, but actually it's based in Nantucket back in the Bronze Ages.

I hadn't thought about the last replacements to come from the US, it was a few Light Divisions that could feasibly have been brought over on a couple or three Cruise Ships. They might well have been stranded in Europe if fuel was low, it's a good idea.

[Cdnwolf]

From Gateway to the Spanish Main.... maybe the USS Constitution was to be part of the taskforce but something delayed her...

From Western Europe (Going Home): The players just missed
Task Force 34 and found themselves on a bleak North Sea beach
on the morning of November 16, 2000, when an antique sailing
ship emerged from the fog and dropped anchor off shore.
It may not be the QEII, but the characters were a day late and
a dollar short, and it is sailing in the right direction.

[Canadian Army]

Originally Posted by simonmark6

The Eagle is mentioned in the Challenger articles, but actually it's based in Nantucket back in the Bronze Ages.

I read the Nantucket series too.