The Anglo German Brigade

[Canadian Army]

I noticed that you have C Squadron, 13th / 18th Royal Hussars and the 1st Battalion, Royal Hampshire Regiment in Kitchener, Ontario and the Panzergrenadierbataillon 81 in Waterloo. I think they if the Canadian Government would send troops to southwest Ontario it would be to London.
Here is why:

1) GM Defense (now General Dynamics Land System) is based in London, which makes the MLVW (medium logistic vehicle, wheeled), Cougar AVGP, Grizzly AVGP, Husky AVGP, Coyote Reconnaissance Vehicle, and the LAV III

2) General Motors Diesel; a Canadian railway diesel locomotive manufacturer; is also based in London.

3) They have an Airport big enough to land a Antonov An-225 Mriya. (http://atomictoasters.com/2010/11/sp...rier-aircraft/) a aircraft maintenance facilities.

4) Canadian Forces Base London (also CFB London) is a former Canadian Forces Base that was located in London, Ontario, Canada. It was downsized and closed during defense budget cutbacks in the 1990s.

On a person note I live in Waterloo and I have lived in Kitchener as well London.

[Rainbow Six]

All, thanks for your feedback, much appreciated.

James, I'll look at incorporating that info into a second draft. I particularly like the part about uniforms. I think it was the etranger site that coined the name "Waterloo Brigade". I couldn't find any reference to it in the Challenge article so decided against it. Re: the mix of Leopard 1 / II's, I was going on the basis that BATUS / GATES seem to have stocks of a wide range of vehicles (same reason I gave the Hussars two Scimitars). Thanks for the info on the tank names.

And feel free to take any parts you want for your history...no problem with that whatsoever...

Canadian Army, you make a good case for the troops being in London - ultimately the reason I put them where they are is because that's where GDW put them in the Challenge article (they have the 3rd Battalion, Regina Rifle Regiment in London). It's likely the British and Germans might carry out patrols along Highway 401 though?

As a side note, I can't actually see the 4th Battalion, Royal Canadian Regiment anywhere on the order of battle in the Challenge article. I think they would have been based in London? Granted there were a few nuclear targets in Southwest Ontario, so maybe they got caught up in those but a quick glance shows there are a few other Battalions missing as well (e.g. the Canadian Grenadier Guards). I know Canadian Militia Battalions were usually at Company strength in peacetime, so what's the likiliehood of al the Militia Battalions being brought up to full strength, or would they be consolidated?

[dude_uk]

Excellent work as ever. Attempting to ship them to Korea for a token British presence is a sound reason.

There was back in the first Korean war, a Commonwealth Division made up of Australian, British and Canadian personnel, Perhaps a reformed version of this (or a Brigade version) was the unit they were going to join?

With regard to the Royal Hampshire Regiment, their company's were named ' A, B, Y and Z'. Z company being the support company. I am currently reading 'The Hampshire Tigers: 1945 to 1992', which is where I gleamed this from. It does not say why this done. But chalk it up to usual British regimental idiosyncratic behaviour.

One question though, why the low numbers of personnel in the battalions? The units in the European theatres are affected by battle casualties, nukes as much as disease and desertion. But surely with food from Canadian farms and not engaging in costly actions, means they should have a higher compliment compared to other units across the globe?

[Rainbow Six]

Cheers Dude, I'll change the Royal Hampshires' Companies to A, Y, and Z in the next draft (with B still going to Cyprus).

With regard to the unit strengths, like the locations, the figures for the Cheshires, Hampshires, and the two German Battalions are taken directly from the Challenge article - that's what the writer of that article gave them, so I've stuck with that (I'm inclined to agree with you in that they should be stronger than that). The Hussar Squadron and the support units are my own figures (I did ponder whether or not the Hussars should have more tanks, but didn't want to push it given the Germans only have nine for their entire Battalion...)

We can probably attribute any reduction in manpower to four factors:

1. Combat losses suffered in action against marauder groups

2. Losses to disease

3. Desertion - it's probable that numbers of personnel would have established ties in the Suffield / Shilo areas - wives, girlfriends, kids, etc - so may have deserted rather than leave those areas

4. Volunteers attached to the Canadian Forces fighting the Quebec Separatists. (There may be entire Companies from the Cheshires and the 81st Pazer Grenadiers attached to the Canadians).

[Fusilier]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

I know Canadian Militia Battalions were usually at Company strength in peacetime, so what's the likiliehood of al the Militia Battalions being brought up to full strength, or would they be consolidated?

Very unlikely to be full strength IMO. I'd say consolidated into extremely light battalion formations with virtually none of the heavier support elements such as TOW and 81mm mortars found in regular battalions (for example only one of the 50+ reserve battalions had any 81mm tubes IRL and they were slotted to reinforce 4 Brigade in Germany).

[Sanjuro]

As for returning the aircraft to Europe, IIRC the Hawk has a retractable probe for air-air refuelling- it is certainly IFR capable (not sure of how well it handles ice accretion, which would be the big threat on a long ocean crossing).
It is a long way over water for a single engine, and takes a lot of tanker time. It is usual practice to refuel within range of a diversion, so that if refuelling fails the receiving aircraft has somewhere to go.
With all these factors in mind, I suspect that by the time the Hawks were needed in Europe, the resources needed to bring them back would not be available. If they returned, it would be by ship, crated up- more likely they are still in Canada.

[Rainbow Six]

Attached an updated version incorporating some of the suggestions put forward and the photo supplied by rcaf_777...

[dude_uk]

The distinctive paint scheme has been used in the UK, I've seen them at Warminster over the last 5 years at least. I have a recollection of seeing it on the TV series "Soldier Soldier" at the same place in the mid-late 90s. Possibly returned from Canada and not repainted?

The distinct colour scheme from canada is also used to represent 'Op-forces' on exercises according to Warrior Company by Simon Dunstan.

[Cdnwolf]

Originally Posted by Canadian Army

I noticed that you have C Squadron, 13th / 18th Royal Hussars and the 1st Battalion, Royal Hampshire Regiment in Kitchener, Ontario and the Panzergrenadierbataillon 81 in Waterloo. I think they if the Canadian Government would send troops to southwest Ontario it would be to London.
Here is why:

1) GM Defense (now General Dynamics Land System) is based in London, which makes the MLVW (medium logistic vehicle, wheeled), Cougar AVGP, Grizzly AVGP, Husky AVGP, Coyote Reconnaissance Vehicle, and the LAV III

2) General Motors Diesel; a Canadian railway diesel locomotive manufacturer; is also based in London.

3) They have an Airport big enough to land a Antonov An-225 Mriya. (http://atomictoasters.com/2010/11/sp...rier-aircraft/) a aircraft maintenance facilities.

4) Canadian Forces Base London (also CFB London) is a former Canadian Forces Base that was located in London, Ontario, Canada. It was downsized and closed during defense budget cutbacks in the 1990s.

On a person note I live in Waterloo and I have lived in Kitchener as well London.

I live in London, and you have London being centralized to both Toronto and Detroit and well supported by area supoort units. It is also in the middle of a vital crop growing area so supplying the troops would be no problem. Finally you have major truck manufacturers in St Thomas too.