Good Vibrations~!

[M-Type]

The D&D group my buddy was in on campus split up, and I basically walked up to him and was like "*cough*Twilight:2000*cough*.

Not many people seem to enthralled with the setting, so I'll have to do a little marketing. Especially since I snagged the v2.2 rules, so I can draw them in with the "d20" aspect.

I'm a big fan of history, so I find the setting fascinating. And I'm not turning 20 until a couple months.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Originally Posted by M-Type

The D&D group my buddy was in on campus split up, and I basically walked up to him and was like "*cough*Twilight:2000*cough*.

Not many people seem to enthralled with the setting, so I'll have to do a little marketing. Especially since I snagged the v2.2 rules, so I can draw them in with the "d20" aspect.

I'm a big fan of history, so I find the setting fascinating. And I'm not turning 20 until a couple months.

Oh my god, kid, I got jackets older than you Here and I thought it was us crotchety old 40somethings who played T2k

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

Oh my god, kid, I got jackets older than you Here and I thought it was us crotchety old 40somethings who played T2k

I guess we like it so much as we expected to live it one day...

[Chris]

Originally Posted by James Langham

I guess we like it so much as we expected to live it one day...

Well, given that we manufcture HMMWVs, Bendix was a major manufacturer, and Morrow Project had us on the target list I wasn't planning on living it.

Chris

[M-Type]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

Oh my god, kid, I got jackets older than you Here and I thought it was us crotchety old 40somethings who played T2k

I've been getting that a lot

As soon as I heard about T2k I jumped on it. I like history, especially military history, and the game was just too good to pass up.

I guess it allows me to play in the (alternate) history I enjoy so much.

But I gotta give respect to everyone who played it when it first came out, the world situation considered. I guess I'll be missing that piece of the game.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Originally Posted by M-Type

I've been getting that a lot

As soon as I heard about T2k I jumped on it. I like history, especially military history, and the game was just too good to pass up.

I guess it allows me to play in the (alternate) history I enjoy so much.

But I gotta give respect to everyone who played it when it first came out, the world situation considered. I guess I'll be missing that piece of the game.

I remember when my Brother-in-law who was a huge computer wargamer (seriously, the guy would spend a day, then a night, then the following day designing stuff in Wargame Construction Set from SSI, then invite me over to play his Cosmic Balance scenarios he'd written on his Atari 800XL) bought the 1e boxed set to build a "Door" or do Play-by-posts for his BBS he ran in like '87 or so (this was all prior to Gorbachev, Perestroika, etc.; not even the most optimistic folks dared whisper that in a mere 25 months the USSR would be out of business as a world power), and as we looked through the contents of the boxed set, he said to me, somberly "You know...this is how it could all really go down."

It's a little ridiculous to consider now, but if in 1985 you'd written a game about the distant year 2012 and things called iphones, smart TVs, a defunct Soviet Union, a-capitalist-in-all-but-name PRC, the US being in hock to said China, the literal vanishing of Japan as a world financial power, etc. would it have looked more or less plausible than the 40+ years-in-coming, seemingly inevitable war between the US and USSR.

Hell, I knew guys who were in the military in 1990 who were certain the USSR was going to use build-up in Saudi Arabia for the Gulf War as causus belli and jump off due to the US attacking an ostensible ally...go fig!

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

I remember when my Brother-in-law who was a huge computer wargamer (seriously, the guy would spend a day, then a night, then the following day designing stuff in Wargame Construction Set from SSI, then invite me over to play his Cosmic Balance scenarios he'd written on his Atari 800XL) bought the 1e boxed set to build a "Door" or do Play-by-posts for his BBS he ran in like '87 or so (this was all prior to Gorbachev, Perestroika, etc.; not even the most optimistic folks dared whisper that in a mere 25 months the USSR would be out of business as a world power), and as we looked through the contents of the boxed set, he said to me, somberly "You know...this is how it could all really go down."

It's a little ridiculous to consider now, but if in 1985 you'd written a game about the distant year 2012 and things called iphones, smart TVs, a defunct Soviet Union, a-capitalist-in-all-but-name PRC, the US being in hock to said China, the literal vanishing of Japan as a world financial power, etc. would it have looked more or less plausible than the 40+ years-in-coming, seemingly inevitable war between the US and USSR.

Hell, I knew guys who were in the military in 1990 who were certain the USSR was going to use build-up in Saudi Arabia for the Gulf War as causus belli and jump off due to the US attacking an ostensible ally...go fig!

Don't forget the worry as the Wall came down that it could trigger WW3 - the British Army at least went onto alert.

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

It's a little ridiculous to consider now, but if in 1985 you'd written a game about the distant year 2012 and things called iphones, smart TVs, a defunct Soviet Union, a-capitalist-in-all-but-name PRC, the US being in hock to said China, the literal vanishing of Japan as a world financial power, etc. would it have looked more or less plausible than the 40+ years-in-coming, seemingly inevitable war between the US and USSR.

Heh. Pull out a copy of Cyberpunk 2020 and proceed to giggle at the projections therein.

(I think William Gibson once said something about the great failure of the cyberpunk movement was in imagining a future where the United States was gone and the Soviet Union was still there.)

- C.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

Heh. Pull out a copy of Cyberpunk 2020 and proceed to giggle at the projections therein.

Or the first couple of editions of Shadowrun! Wow, did they have things a bit screwed up on the computers/matrix front! 2050 and there's no search engines! WTF???

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I know what you mean about ShadowRun but at least they did get something right with their treatment of mobile/cell phones - even if it was a happy coincidence.
I believe it was also William Gibson who when commenting on his own novels said that his greatest failure was to underestimate the impact of mobile phones. Sometimes when you see the future, you just don't see the little things that are in fact the 'big' things!

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

Oh my god, kid, I got jackets older than you Here and I thought it was us crotchety old 40somethings who played T2k

I'm pushing 40 this year and could be father to almost everyone I'm playing with. Youngest is 11 next month!

Damn they make me feel old....

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

Oh my god, kid, I got jackets older than you Here and I thought it was us crotchety old 40somethings who played T2k

40something? YOU are a pup too. I've been doing T2K since 87, and was 40 then!!! LOL
My grandson that is 18 has played T2K.. you should have seen my daughters face the day she walked in and he was READING the BYB asking me questions, he was nine then. Her comment, "OH GOD!! NOT another one." BTW she met her husband at a FTF gaming session at my house LOL. Three Generations of Twilight.

[Adm.Lee]

Re: sci-fi missing the tech advances: Can't find it now, but I recently saw a cover from a '50s sci-fi magazine. There's a space pirate leering through a porthole, with a slide rule in his teeth.

Second thought on failures to predict: I graduated college in 1990, with a degree in military history, and a minor in national security policy, with a touch of Russian language. Unfortunately, it was in Dec. 1990, after the Baltics had started revolting, the Wall had come down, and Saddam had shifted the strategic focus of the US. No hiring at DoD for people like me, nor CIA, nor anywhere else. Ooops.

[Sanjuro]

I guess we like it so much as we expected to live it one day...

The first few times I went to Moscow, Ekaterinberg, Damascus, Baku and Tblisi I thought "I only ever expected to see these places through a bombsight..."

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by Graebarde

40something? YOU are a pup too. I've been doing T2K since 87, and was 40 then!!! LOL
My grandson that is 18 has played T2K.. you should have seen my daughters face the day she walked in and he was READING the BYB asking me questions, he was nine then. Her comment, "OH GOD!! NOT another one." BTW she met her husband at a FTF gaming session at my house LOL. Three Generations of Twilight.

I think that I am the next oldest here on the board. I played in very late 80's- early 90's. (Gonna be 59 here in May)

Never could get the kids or grandkids into RPG's...(SIGH )

But, I will borrow from Lynyrd Skynyrd.....

"My hair's turning white, my neck is still red, my collar's still blue...."

Long live T2K!!

My $0.02

Mike

[Adm.Lee]

This was the picture.

FWIW, my dad used to work for a big R&D firm. In the late '40s, they helped Xerox develop the photocopier. In their final report, the researchers thought their institute might need as many as two of these things.

[B.T.]

Cool picture, Adm.Lee.
But what does "FWIW" stand for