49th Armoured Division

[pmulcahy11b]

I know there's no real justification for it, but I'm not only a San Antonian and Texan, but I'm a former member of 1/141. I can't see the 49th just disintegrating like that. Like I said in an earlier post, The 49th can make a mess out of a unit that underestimates them -- we made messes out of visiting National Guard units, Air Force Defenders, and even active duty units. Cohesion may come a bit slowly, my guess is that by 1997, they will be operating in sync.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Cohesion may come a bit slowly, my guess is that by 1997, they will be operating in sync.

Arrrrrgh! Oh wait, not the boy band. My bad.

[Olefin]

I have to agree with pmulcahy11b - we know that the 49th survives with at least the BMP-C mentioned in the Soviet Vehicle Guide for several years after 1999 so your final entry of the division being folded into another division is a little too pessimistic in my opinion.

One thing you may want to think about is posssibly would the 49th members who left possibly join up with the South Texas Grange forces mentioned in Red Star, Lone Star? I.e. instead of just dispersing in dribs and drabs to their homes would they have joined up with the nascent Texas Republic as an organized military unit, but not one under US MilGov control?

In other words not deserting or going over the hill but deciding that they are Texas units and should be fighting for Texas and not for the US? Perhaps not everyone but a substantial force of them, especially if that force starts to win ground against the Texians or Mexicans with the oil that the South Texas Grange now has available?

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by Olefin

I have to agree with pmulcahy11b - we know that the 49th survives with at least the BMP-C mentioned in the Soviet Vehicle Guide for several years after 1999 so your final entry of the division being folded into another division is a little too pessimistic in my opinion.

One thing you may want to think about is posssibly would the 49th members who left possibly join up with the South Texas Grange forces mentioned in Red Star, Lone Star? I.e. instead of just dispersing in dribs and drabs to their homes would they have joined up with the nascent Texas Republic as an organized military unit, but not one under US MilGov control?

In other words not deserting or going over the hill but deciding that they are Texas units and should be fighting for Texas and not for the US? Perhaps not everyone but a substantial force of them, especially if that force starts to win ground against the Texians or Mexicans with the oil that the South Texas Grange now has available?

Ive tried not to mention the possibility of the South Texas Grange as I can't decide which way to go with them. I think really they need to be considered for each campaign. 2300 has Texas under Mexican control but Red Star, Lone Star implies they may succeed so I try to leave things like that open. I may well add a note that some operate with the Kingsleys. Texas might well use the 49th as a division for the historical precedent.

[Olefin]

You are right in the implication -i.e. the very strong implication that Kingsley would be the first president of a Lone Star Republic is a huge hint that maybe they rethought the "Texas is part of Mexico" part of 2300.

Also remember that you could have Texas possibly broken into multiple areas - i.e. an area that stays with the US as Texas but is much smaller than before (say northern Texas) , another that is taken over by Mexico (the area below San Antonio for instance but not along the Gulf Coast where the refinery was) and a third area that becomes the Republic of Texas - all very much Texas but none of them being the Texas that we know now.

You could even end up with rival 49th Divisions - one being in Texas and one being in the US.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by James Langham

2300 has Texas under Mexican control...

It does? Which version? The original Traveller:2300 I have has Texas as an independent republic for hundreds of years after the Twilight War.

[Webstral]

The Earth-Cybertech Sourcebook also lists Texas as an independent republic.

[RN7]

In canon 2300AD Texas is an independent country politicaly split between a pro-American Anglo population and a pro-Mexican Hispanic population.

The history has Texas being wrested from America by Mexico in 1999 during the Twilight War. However in 2099 Texas rebelled and fought and won its independence from Mexico and became a seperate nation for the first time since 1845. Hispanic factions rallied to attempt to bring Texas back into the Mexican fold, occupying and terrorizing much of western Texas for decades. Oil men and industry saw advantages in becoming an American state again and put political pressure on the new government. But even with these pressures, no one faction could get either a pro-Mexican or pro-American government into power, so Texas has remained independent. A brief coup was attempted by pro-Mexican radicals in 2230 who seized access into and out of Austin, the capital, in an attempt to flush out and replace the government. In great Texan tradition, however, Austin's citizens took up arms and effectively eliminated the rebellion's army units before loyal troops could arrive.
Geographically Texas has changed since the 20th Century. The southern border with Mexico remains the Rio Grande River and Louisiana borders to the east, but the northern and western borders have changed. Almost all of the Panhandle is now part of America (Oklahoma I think), probably due to it being firmly controlled by US forces and a largely Anglo militia during the Twilight War. The northern border with the US now largely follows the Red River. The western Trans-Pecos part of Texas has spread north following the Pecos River, and includes a sizeable part of south eastern New Mexico.

Culturally 2300AD Texas has been heavily influenced by Mexico rule with Spanish style architecture and flat low to the ground buildings predominating, and the country is bilingual. Oil and beef are still the main industries and economicaly Texas is influenced by America. Politicaly Mexico is still pissed over Texan independence and Mexico would be considered the main threat to Texan indepedence. The Texan military itself is definetly pro-American buying most of its equipment from America and training with US forces, and also with British Commonwealth forces from the UK, Canada, Australia and the Anglo-Carribean. The modern Texan Army has its roots the Texan Liberation Army and the National Guard units that deserted the Mexican Army at the end of the 21st Centrury. The current 49th Armoured Brigade was revived after independence and decends from the old US Texas National Guard 49th Armoured Division. The Texas Rangers still play a prominant role in Texan military and paramilitary circles as well as folklore.
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[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Targan

Arrrrrgh! Oh wait, not the boy band. My bad.

You should be shot and sent to Russian Front for that remark...

(And +1 to whoever knows that reference.)

[stilleto69]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

You should be shot and sent to Russian Front for that remark...

(And +1 to whoever knows that reference.)

Yes, General Burkhalter! Hogan!!!!!

[Bullet Magnet]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

You should be shot and sent to Russian Front for that remark...

(And +1 to whoever knows that reference.)

In one episode, I recall it being "shot, court martialed, and sent to the Russian front"