Twilight Exodus

[Webstral]

Mike, thanks for the feedback. I must confess, I'm a bit taken aback that you're the only one who has commented. Surely I've said something with which my Twilight: 2000 fellows can take issue. Leg? Olefin? Law? Somebody? Don't tell me I wrote 10,000 words and everybody in this crowd agrees with all of it.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by Webstral

Mike, thanks for the feedback. I must confess, I'm a bit taken aback that you're the only one who has commented. Surely I've said something with which my Twilight: 2000 fellows can take issue. Leg? Olefin? Law? Somebody? Don't tell me I wrote 10,000 words and everybody in this crowd agrees with all of it.

My pleasure, Web. I have always enjoyed the various additions to T2K you have added since I joined the forum.

In the T2K timeline, your scenarios would probably play out very close to your description.

One thing that ALWAYS puzzled me was why the President/VP/Sec of State were so close together. I would think that once nukes started to fly in China, the VP would be sent to somewhere like Cheyene Mountain, the Sec State to one of the Presidential Hideouts, Sec of Defense could be positioned, say with Air Force One!!! (Another mistery of T2K, what DID happen to AF1??)

Even with a stand down, politicians are ALWAYS looking out for their hide. I would think it would only be prudent that a rotating schedule of cabinet secretaries would be moved from place to palce to insure Presidential succession.

In Our TL, the U.S. Government would seperate in a hurry with the first nuke. Just as with 9/11, the President is taken to AF1, sent aloft with WHATEVER air cover that can be found anywhere!!! I know "Looking Glass" does not exist in our timeline. But surely an AWACS or two could be scrambled??? Again with whatever air cover is available. Also the existing mid air refuling jets would be scrambled. AF1 can be refueled mid air, so can AWACS and any USAF, Navy or Marine fighters.

My $0.02

Mike

[Targan]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

(Another mistery of T2K, what DID happen to AF1??)

A bit of a mystery. From memory, according to canon, AF1 blew up on takeoff for reasons that were never conclusively determined (or possibly were determined but never made public).

[stg58fal]

Haven't commented cuz I haven't downloaded. Most of my web use is on my phone, since the internets absolutely SUCKS where I'm currently living. Downloading on my phone is real dicey and problematic, so I generally don't do it. When I have a chance to download and read, I'll comment.

[Jason Weiser]

I like it, and it overlaps nicely with the media piece I wrote as well as the piece Chico did on the State Guard. One thing you might want to mention? How are the host communities where all these folks are headed to going to react. I cannot imagine there's just going to be official responses. Heck, I expect some locals might not be too happy to see all these "city-folk" and might react violently to it. Some of them might save the National Guard and LE the trouble.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by Jason Weiser

I like it, and it overlaps nicely with the media piece I wrote as well as the piece Chico did on the State Guard. One thing you might want to mention? How are the host communities where all these folks are headed to going to react. I cannot imagine there's just going to be official responses. Heck, I expect some locals might not be too happy to see all these "city-folk" and might react violently to it. Some of them might save the National Guard and LE the trouble.

Jason,

Good to hear from you! Hope is now all good on the home front. Matt (your brother?) let us know that you had power again.

I would like to read your comments on the chaos of a T2K scenario involving nukes. Please post again or point me in the right direction.

I agree that "Farmer Joe" is going to be seriously pi$$ed off when the locusts (read city folks) decend on his corn crop. They will strip it clean in a few moments. Probably eat it un cooked.

Realistically, what can "Farmer Joe" do? Yes he can open fire. He will probably kill 2,5,10, whatever. Then he has to reload. And several hundred hungry, desperate people swarm his house. What happens next is best left to the imagination. This scenario will be repeated millions of times.

Then comes the intra-swarm predation. Bill up there got some corn. I didn't. My family is hungry too. I have a gun. Bill is busy eating corn. BANG!!

Once the NG/State Guard/reserves/regulars are mobilized, the damage will all ready be done. And I am assuming that the NG etc show up for roll call. With the nukes flying in the Sino-Russia war and/or Nato-Warsaw war, would you leave your family? Bring them to the Armory? Strike out on your own? Those questions alone are probably worth a thread all to themselves.

My $0.02

Mike

[Jason Weiser]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Jason,

Good to hear from you! Hope is now all good on the home front. Matt (your brother?) let us know that you had power again.

Nope, no relation.

I would like to read your comments on the chaos of a T2K scenario involving nukes. Please post again or point me in the right direction.

State Guards

Media during the war

[WallShadow]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Jason,
(SNIP)
I agree that "Farmer Joe" is going to be seriously pi$$ed off when the locusts (read city folks) decend on his corn crop. They will strip it clean in a few moments. Probably eat it un cooked.

Realistically, what can "Farmer Joe" do? Yes he can open fire. He will probably kill 2,5,10, whatever. Then he has to reload. And several hundred hungry, desperate people swarm his house. What happens next is best left to the imagination. This scenario will be repeated millions of times.

Then comes the intra-swarm predation. Bill up there got some corn. I didn't. My family is hungry too. I have a gun. Bill is busy eating corn. BANG!!

Once the NG/State Guard/reserves/regulars are mobilized, the damage will all ready be done. And I am assuming that the NG etc show up for roll call. With the nukes flying in the Sino-Russia war and/or Nato-Warsaw war, would you leave your family? Bring them to the Armory? Strike out on your own? Those questions alone are probably worth a thread all to themselves.
My $0.02
Mike

Mike, this ties into what I posted on the Twilight and F&I thread: setting up a series of defensive fortified farms/homes/buildings/small towns to act as a focal point for mutual defense or gathering place in case of attack just as Pennsylvania, Maryland, an Virginia did. It would also help if the local largest town or cantonment could provide a fast reaction force to drive off or defeat any marauders or raiders. These sites could also provide a forward jumping-off point for the sponsoring cantonment or settlement, probably Harrisburg in this case, to keep an eye on the eastern frontier. This would include dissuading masses of migrating survivors of other disaster areas (Philadelphia) from stripping the cropped landscape bare.

Here in central PA I can see the term "Phillie" being used in the place of "Okie" of the Thirties in their migration. I can also see some veterans of the "Ruins of Warsaw" campaign helping out to enable the "Relokies" to stabilize their lives in a productive way--sort of like the 2300AD Zapamoga organization (which the characters may have helped start by their aid and assistance to the refugees while in Poland!). If the local head honcho were smart, he'd have clearing stations set up in the forward areas, to interview potential settlers. Personally, I'd give admission preference to families with older children, able to provide manpower for reclaiming damaged urban areas for their residence, along the lines of Habitat for Humanity--you help others, they help you fix your own place up after you've contributed adequate man-hours in others' service. Also, the clearing stations could find people with needed skills and knowledge, giving them and their families a boost up the acceptance list.For the rest, they have the choice of joining the transient community housing shelters in exchange for labor or needed items (medicine, ammo, working electronics, gold) or moving on out of the area of control of the cantonment. Naturally, there will be disgruntled, panicked, and unscrupulous elements amongst the refugees, which will cause much concern and difficulty to those sorting out the wheat from the chaff. Also, after the sorting has been completed, those who had been rejected may be in the spirit of revenge or covetousness, planning raids or attacks on the "fat corrupt government bureaucrats" that they have been rejected by.

As mentioned glancingly in Howling Wilderness, the Amish and Mennonite population of Pennsylvania, who are eminently prepared and have the skill sets for survival in this situation, will probably need some unasked-for protection from those who would take advantage of their non-violent nature.