Gun questions

[chico20854]

My understanding is that the L85 (and the FN-FNC and possibly the Steyr AUG) all were designed to accept the M-16 magazine, which is available in sizes from 5 rounds up to 100, although the 20 and 30 are standard in US military issue, the 20 much more rarely.

As for the MP-5, I think it has something to do with the sophistication of the action - its an elegant roller system as opposed to a simple blow-back system. What the practical effect is I can't say, but if game stats are based on things like barrel length and rate of fire I can see how it doesn't stand out from the crowd.

I'll wait for some of the real heavy-duty gun guys to opine more...

[Targan]

H&K weapons in general are known to be reliable and accurate. Those are the main reasons people choose them.

[Fusilier]

Where do you see that listed KC? I've only seen 30 round listings... ala 30 round STANAG magazines.

[jester]

The MP-5 comes off as more accurate and reliable because of a reliable action with the delayed blowback.

And it is well balanced, can be configured in some many different ways, unlike most SMGs.

And it fires from a CLOSED BOLT position. This aids in accuracy and reliability. It operated more like an assault rifle than a SMG.

And it was bounds ahead of its day. Further, it came really when the SMG was going out of fashion. Since an Assault Rifle was a better weapons system that could do a bit more in addition to most of what a SMG can do. So, it was/is a very good design that had inovations at a time when the SMG was being phased out of most services.

Ask yourself a question, how many SMGs have been on the scene since? And what was their roll and whom they were adopted by?

The SMG was for the most part replaced by the assault rifle in most nations. There really haven't been any big ones since, just smaller Assault Rifles replaced them and were called Submachinegun like the AKR and Colt Comando.

But the MP-5 in my mind would have a better reliability, a bit more accurate, and a better range than most other true SMGs.

[kcdusk]

Originally Posted by Fusilier

Where do you see that listed KC? I've only seen 30 round listings... ala 30 round STANAG magazines.

Pretty sure v2.2 rule book has the L85 (IW) with a 20 round mag.

[Marc]

In the V2.2 rulebook, the L85(IW) is listed with a 20 cartridge magazine in the Small Arms Firing Chart (pag. 254) and in its own specific card (pag. 104). But in this same card, not in the game statistics line, but in the column just above it, it comes listed as use both 20 or 30 round magazines. So, I suppose that the L85 can use both type of magazines. I suppose the 30 cartridge version is the most used.

In Paul Mulcahy pages, (with permission ) the two versions of mag. are listed.

http://www.pmulcahy.com/assault_rifl...ult_rifles.htm

[pmulcahy11b]

You can put a 20-round magazine into an L-85 -- but the 20-rounder is relatively rare in military issue these days. (The last time I was issued one was in 1985 -- in the National Guard.)

[Marc]

In Spain, the CETME L Assault rifle comes with three type of mags. 10 rounds (or 12, i do not remeber), 20 and 30 rounds. But only the 30 rounds mag was normally used. The smallest was used in parade.