OT-Written by me two years ago

[The Rifleman]

A nuclear war is indeed a way to end North Korea. If they want to risk that or not is anyone's guess. As far as us knowing if they have a nuclear capable merchant ship here are a few things to chew over:

- Periodically, we do find secret tunnels that go for miles under the DMZ that were built without our knowledge

- North Korea has a fleet of submarines of unknown size that operate from concrete sub pens UNDER ground, UNDER water that come in and out of huge iron gates. The special operations community admitted that due to location and secrecy, no one knows when subs are coming and going.

- No one noticed or tracked a North Korean sub that sank a South Korean navy ship, even after torpedos were launched

- No one knows what happened to the 12 subs that were purchased 20 years ago

- No intelligence service has been able to build an accurate order of battle for the North Korean Army

- The entire Korean military is built on asymetrical warfare, to include sleeper cells, cyber attacks, operations using civillian status as cover

I've spent quite a bit of time reading about the KPA lately. I have to admit, I'm quite impressed with the general size of their forces and how they are employed. Looks to me like they've paid close attention to history and lessons learned at other nations expense, yet at the same time they are quite progressive with technology. I reccomend doing some reading as well. You'd be quite surprised.

[Louied]

Just discussing this with someone the other day.
Say 9 of those 12 subs are operational, now I don't know
IRL if this is workable but and bear with me:
- put a nuke on each boat with a SF detachment. Only the
SF team knows what their "package" is.
- bluster about my missiles and their range etc get everyone looking at that
- meanwhile I park my boats off Seattle/Bremerton, San Francisco, Honolulu, Los Angeles and San Diego. If I am feeling really tough the other four park off of
the Panama Canal, New York, DC, and Norfolk.
- now for our Navy guys, how close inshore do you think these subs can get ?
- NKs, detonate nuke on each ship. NK navy crews might not be
that crazy but I think those SF guys might be.
- how much damage to those selected locations would there be ?
- would it be enough that we might see a scenario like in Jericho ?

Crazy scenario or a "cunning plan" ?

[raketenjagdpanzer]

China = Dr. Evazan
SK = Luke Skywalker
US = Ben Kenobi
NK = Ponda Baba
Russia = Cantina bartender.

PONDA BABA (to LUKE): (GROWLS)

DR. EVAZAN (to LUKE): "He doesn't like you."

LUKE (to DR. EVAZAN and PONDA BABA): "I'm sorry."

DR. EVAZAN (to LUKE): "I don't like you either! You'd best watch yourself! We're wanted men. I've the death sentence on twelve systems!"

LUKE (to DR. EVAZAN): "I'll be careful - "

DR. EVAZAN (to LUKE): "You'll be dead!"

BEN KENOBI (INTERRUPTING): "This...little one's not worth the effort. Now, let me get you something - "

DR. EVAZAN pushes LUKE out of the way; PONDA BABA draws his sidearm and aims it at BEN KENOBI.

CANTINA BARTENDER (shouting): "No blasters! No blasters!"

BEN KENOBI draws his lightsaber and cuts off PONDA BABA'S arm. PONDA BABA yells in agony. CUT TO FLOOR, PAN L over severed arm, lying in pool of blood.

BEN KENOBI eyes bar patrons warily, deactivates lightsaber.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Seriously though if it does come to war and we "go north" (doubtful on both counts) I hope we bring the USS Pueblo home with grand ceremony. Fuck the norkers and any "national pride" of theirs.

[bobcat]

if war breaks out with north korea they won't be the only unconventional types to take to the field. hell when i was there even my KATUSA's learned enough dirty tricks to keep the game interesting.

[headquarters]

Ahh..the politics of tension.

Who benefits from the tension? The NK leadership who scares its people with constant loudspeaker and radio announcements that an imperialist US attack is on the way of course..

The fear of US invasion is real in Pyongyang. And all the while the sanctions are slowly starving the NK populace. The NK leadership could divert assets from the army and the elite decadent leadership to compensate the deficit like a responsible leadership would. Right?

War would end the NK leadership. But millions would die. Seoul would be hit by 10 000 shells within 15 minutes of an US attack in earnest on the NK.

The NK leadership is unpredictable and posture dangerously. But they aim not to topple the US. They are in fact not the 007 villains they pose as with a devious plan to bring a doomsday device to the CONUS. They are the jailors of a nation brainwashed and scared into submission and fanatical obedience.Every level of tension they can increase is a win for them. A little skirmish would be great. A US POW would be a circus to bizarre to even make up.

War would have the Yellow Sea run red. I for one hope the US take the bait.

[bobcat]

the problem with war in north korea is this. people though iraq was bad, they think afghanistan is bad. we start fighting a war in that theatre sure the regular NK army will fold like the iraqis did but from the word go we will be fighting against guerrillas trained on every tactic that has worked against us since the korean war. armed with weapons that are well maintained and just to keep things interesting the north korean navy can damn near sink supply ships at will unless we go back to the method of using well defended convoys. add in the IED's that will be hitting our log-packs regularly, sam-bushes against our choppers.


in a nutshell our boots on the ground will kick ass for about a week before they run out of beans and bullets.
just food for thought.