OT Things that would never have happened

[Olefin]

Considering where the nuclear attacks are in Texas then George W. Bush definitely would still be alive and governor if the rest to the timeline was followed. The question would be if Clinton would have been re-elected in 1996 with war going on with the Soviets and Chinese - in a situation like that Bob Dole may have been elected instead.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Considering where the nuclear attacks are in Texas then George W. Bush definitely would still be alive and governor if the rest to the timeline was followed. The question would be if Clinton would have been re-elected in 1996 with war going on with the Soviets and Chinese - in a situation like that Bob Dole may have been elected instead.

IMHO, Bill Clinton would have been re-elected. His "advetures" with Monica would have been ignored in light of the nightmare in the Far East. Also, per V1.0 and v 2.2, the USA was shipping HUGE amounts of anti tank, anti air missles to China. The American economy was performing well, un-employment was low, interest rates were fairly low, the "housing bubble" of the early to mid 2000's was still in the future, and probably not have happened.

So, again IMHO, I see no real reason politically for Bill to fail at the polls.

My $0.02

Mike

[mikeo80]

Some other things we would not have seen IF T2K happened.

1) Lindsay Lohan
2) Teenage Moms
3) International Space Station
4) Hubble Telescope Repair Missions
5) Retirement of Space Shuttles (Maybe even some new ones??)
6) Exxon Oil Spill in Gulf of Mexico (Nukes would have done a LOT more damage)
7) Somali Pirates (IF they showed their pointy little heads, would be SMASHED in passing by US, UK, NATO, whatever)
8) Osama bin Laden, Taliban (Again, smashed by Western powers)
9) Reality TV (Survivor starts in 2000 IRL)
10) ALL of the damn Judge TV shows
11) American Idol (Start 2002 IRL)

These are a few off of the top of my head.

My $0.02

Mike

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Some other things we would not have seen IF T2K happened.

7) Somali Pirates (IF they showed their pointy little heads, would be SMASHED in passing by US, UK, NATO, whatever)
8) Osama bin Laden, Taliban (Again, smashed by Western powers)

actually the taliban would have been an even bigger problem with the war justifying their presence in the region.

as for the pirates they are another result of the cold war. and would likely hit anything coming out of the gulf for the oil.

[Bullet Magnet]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Some other things we would not have seen IF T2K happened.


2) Teenage Moms

5) Retirement of Space Shuttles (Maybe even some new ones??)

10) ALL of the damn Judge TV shows


These are a few off of the top of my head.

My $0.02

Mike

2) Teen pregnancy happened IRL long before the Twilight War. With economic and other conditions brought about by the war, I think a case could be made that teen pregnancy could increase; some girls might end up "doing what is necessary" just to get some food in her belly.

5) Again, economic conditions of the time and after the war runs down. I'd expect in the decade or two after the war ends, NASA would be running on a tight budget. However, I think as soon as monetary conditions allowed, the US would want to get back into that game, expecting the Soviets are doing the same.

10) Judge shows existed by the mid 1980s, I know because my ma used to watch a few of them back then.
What might be really great is a lessening of "trash TV", like Springer or Maury. I vaguely recall in the 90s Maury was at least trying to be respectable; of course now he only does shows with skanks who bring in a dozen or so guys trying to find the one who is the daddy.
Now I'm thinking what WOULD happen with TV during and after the war. Of course, areas hit by EMP would have lost the ability to watch, but what about the other areas? I imagine once the daily toils of keeping alive were done for the day, people would be eager for anything to take their minds away from reality, if even for an hour.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Bullet Magnet

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5) Again, economic conditions of the time and after the war runs down. I'd expect in the decade or two after the war ends, NASA would be running on a tight budget. However, I think as soon as monetary conditions allowed, the US would want to get back into that game, expecting the Soviets are doing the same.

I think that the shuttle fleet would still be flying, and maybe even have an upticked flight schedule. But a majority of their flights would be military or partially-military.

Here's a possibility: a few new shuttles out west at Vandenburg.

And
11) Cooperation between East and West in space exploration.
12) Most civilian space research