South Texas Citizenship - Initial Run

[kalos72]

I will have to make those suggestions, nice touch.

Side note they are still stuck on - What do with the Russians and the Mexicans. Both military and civilians.

Part of the group says kill them all and some say offer then citizenship because its easier to integrate them rather then have to fight them. Plus the added resources.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by kalos72

I will have to make those suggestions, nice touch.

No worries, been a slow afternoon at work so you've helped me pass the time...

Originally Posted by kalos72

Side note they are still stuck on - What do with the Russians and the Mexicans. Both military and civilians.

When I first read your criteria for citizenship I presumed you had planned to make citizenship available to them as they are covered under "military personal (trained military personnel of any country)" (provided they can learn English to a certain standard and understand basics of US history).

Killing them all, military and civilian is murder at best. Genocide at worst. I refer to my earlier comment about your regime being draconian...

Not withstanding the morality of such an act (or rather the lack thereof) think of the consequences - I'm sure Division Cuba would put up one hell of a fight if they thought they were going to be massacred and we only have to look at recent real World campaigns to see the damage that can be caused by civilian insurgents. Some of your own troops may have an issue engaging in systematic slaughter and rebel against you. Not to mention the possibility of retaliation by what's left of the Mexican armed forces over the border. Or what actions Colorado Springs might feel forced into taking if (in thier eyes) a rogue military unit in Texas had declared independence and was now involved in committing mass murder.

There is a third option, which is to offer them safe passage back to whence they came from.

[kalos72]

As I said, they are torn. Now you feel my pain trying to lock this stuff down.

For the Russians, they are sort in agreement that it would be easier to offer them citizenship rather then fight as they are a fairly good sized force to deal with.

The Mexican military is a mixed bag. Most have turned marauder, they did invade the country and kill Americans in the process. But since they are not nearly as big of a threat as the Russians, the group is considering taking them out entirely. Although my position is for the groups that are still coherent military groups, they are added assets.

Now the Mexican refugees/civilians are more complicated actually. Most of South Texas is Mexican refugee nowadays, from mexico itself, according to Cannon. On the one hand, forcing them out is gonna be hard to do as most will just run away and hide. Two - that will cut the population by 60-70% in South texas, whos gonna do the work? And Three - they are just civilians, not active military shouldn't we help them if they want to stay?

[Rainbow Six]

For civilians in a post nuke environment where all sorts of records have probably been lost making it potentially difficult to ascertain who's a legal and who's an illegal I'd say there is a strong case to be made for opening up citizenship to anyone resident in south texas regardless of post war status provided that they a) meet the criteria already established, i.e. be of good character, free of disease, etc, etc, b) agree to obey the laws of the land and c) pay their taxes. Break the law and you suffer the consequences (personally I think banishment / exile would be quite an effective deterrent in the post apoc world - play ball or you get kicked out of the safe area).

Groups of former military personnel who have turned marauder should be treated as marauders regardless of whether they are Soviet, Mexican, or American. But I think for organised units of the Meican Army who are still intact and functioning as a military unit give them an ultimatum - tell them they are not welcome in your territory and must return to Mexico or face the consequences - help them return if neccessary - perhaps they have no vehicles / mode of transport so truck them down to the border and tell them to start marching south. If they refuse your ultimatum then you could argue you have a moral justification for trying to drive them out by force.

And with that post, my working day is done...

cheers

[weswood]

Cut a deal with the Russians. Provide ships back to Russia in exchange for them helping evict the Mexicans and securing the functioning oilwell/refinery in Brownsville. You can either use the product from the refinery for shipping, or if you've done the Pirates of the Caribean you can use sailing ships. Plus you get to keep the Russians armor and aircraft.

[Raellus]

Feudalism, American style. Interesting stuff, Kalos.

[kalos72]

One of the guys came up with the idea of offering to move the russians to
Isla de la Juventud in exchange for a trade pact. Sort of make it their own little 3000KM large nation.