Pirates of the Visutula

[Judge Holden]

Sorry about the sizing issues on these deckplans im on a tablet and im kinda rusty.
This is what the team came up with. They traded a T80 tank, a flatbed tractor trailer, a troop truck and a nearly empty diesel tanker truck. All the vehicles were stolen from the Army of Silesia.
The chopper is also stolen, obviously from Krakow but it only has fumes left in the tanks.

Question - can an anti tank missile target the tug, or better yet the barge emplacements? Most of my knowlege comes from BF3 so i picture it needing to lock onto a specific target profile and water might mess this up?

[rcaf_777]

Can you post a bigger image?

[Judge Holden]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

Can you post a bigger image?

here we go

[Cdnwolf]

One little problem with your setup...

The barge is essentially a steel shell divided into four compartments
by bulkheads. One end is covered by wooden planking,
but most of the deck material has long since been stripped
by scavengers searching for firewood

If you remove the bulkhead you will weaken the hull structure of the barge.

I am wondering since the ZU-23-2 weighs 2,094 lbs. would that force down the front end of the barge too much when it is being pushed?

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Cdnwolf

One little problem with your setup...

The barge is essentially a steel shell divided into four compartments
by bulkheads. One end is covered by wooden planking,
but most of the deck material has long since been stripped
by scavengers searching for firewood

If you remove the bulkhead you will weaken the hull structure of the barge.

I am wondering since the ZU-23-2 weighs 2,094 lbs. would that force down the front end of the barge too much when it is being pushed?

Barges are quite buoyant so in regards to the 1000 or so kilograms of the ZSU-23-2, it's not enough weight to push the front down. You can see these sorts of river barges in Europe with cranes, excavators or other plant machinery (many of them weigh in excess of 15,000kg) parked at one end with little impact on the buoyancy of the barge.

[dragoon500ly]

Its the old equal and opposite reaction thing. The force necessary to push a mortar bomb out 3-4,000 meters results in the baseplate being punched in to the ground.

I've witnessed the results of a 4.2-inch mortar crew firing a chain of 30 bombs...and then requiring the crew about an hour of digging to recover the baseplate when everything was finished.

Thoses decks are thin, unless there is major reinforcement, it would not take a large number of rounds to starting bending the plates!

[Judge Holden]

Okay, thanks for the info on recoil - i was just going with the 800 kg weapon limit on the forward hatch.
What about the Vasilek 82mm on the back hatch, is that a no go as well?

The chopper is nuzzled down with the main body in between bulkheads and the tail boom and folded back blades hang over into the next one.
Stacked up a ton of wood on either side, covered it up with camo tarp.

The zu 23-2 is permanently mounted in a pt boat type open turret.

[dragoon500ly]

A 120mm mortar on the forecastle

Just a couple of problems....and the big one is recoil!

Hull and deck plating on a civilian ship is simply not that thick, more along the lines of maybe 1/2-inch thickness...at most. It simply cannot handle the recoil forces of a major caliber weapon without a lot of reinforcement of the deck and hull structure.

[Cdnwolf]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

A 120mm mortar on the forecastle

Just a couple of problems....and the big one is recoil!

Hull and deck plating on a civilian ship is simply not that thick, more along the lines of maybe 1/2-inch thickness...at most. It simply cannot handle the recoil forces of a major caliber weapon without a lot of reinforcement of the deck and hull structure.

What if he uses a man portable one? Less accurate of course... and isn't the power of the recoil in a mortar expended outward?

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by Judge Holden

Question - can an anti tank missile target the tug, or better yet the barge emplacements? Most of my knowlege comes from BF3 so i picture it needing to lock onto a specific target profile and water might mess this up?

Absolutely. Wire-guided systems like the TOW, MILAN, SPIGOT, etc. require the missile to be steered to the target by the operator. All he/she has to do is keep the tug in the crosshairs and the missile will do the rest. Laser-guided systems too. Fire and forget ATGMs simply require the operator to lock on to the target, moving or stationary. If a Javelin can track a tank, it can track a river tugboat.