Nuke Targets Elsewhere

[Olefin]

A question - has anyone ever put together a list of likely nuclear targets in France that the Russians hit - according to the game they did get hit but either didnt retaliate or did retaliate but then decided tit for tat was enough and didnt join the war

You have to figure at the least the Petit-Couronne plant outside Rouen and the Donges refineries at Saint-Nazaire would have been definite targets for nukes

[raketenjagdpanzer]

le Harvre would almost certainly get hit; first an airburst to pin-down, then probably a spread of ground bursts, something in the 100kt range from an SS-18 or two, to put a major harbor out of commission.

[kalos72]

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[Olefin]

I am in the process of trying to put together a list of targets in Spain and Portugal - while Spain was (barely) touched up in Med Cruise it would make for an interesting area to campaign in for Twilight 2000 - especially as Med Cruise does say that British and American servicemen - most likely survivors from Gibraltar or sunken ships in the Med and Atlantic who made it to Spain - may be in Spain still in 2000/2001

[kalos72]

I'd love the Spain/Portugal lists...could really open some doors in my campaign for adventure!

[comped]

What about alternative nuke targets? Having looked at the CONUS nuke map from Kato, it really surprises me what did/did not get hit: IE Fort Devens, Detroit, NYC, certain secretive facilities in the Nevada desert, Washington/Oregon... Hell, many states didn't get a nuke anywhere near them (ex: New England).

Would there be any interest in an alternative list of targets for the US, say one for the regular timeline, and one for now?

EDIT: And could anyone give the rationale why most of Canada's populous cities were hit, when not even most of the US' were?

[Targan]

Remember, it wasn't a general full-scale nuclear exchange like we've all grown up fearing. There was no MAD scenario. It was a slow escalation, with all sides involved pushing things just far enough that they didn't kick off a full-scale, all-out ICBM exchange. Over the couple of years that the tit-for-tat nukings occurred there would have been countless thousands of meetings and discussions and little events and evaluations that would be too numerous for even the most devoted alternate history buffs to flesh out. Unless you're re-writing the timeline of the war and it's nuclear exchanges (and many here have or are in the process of doing just that) there's no point second guessing why some targets were deliberately left off either side's hit lists. Launch failures, targeting problems, detonation failures and the like are a whole other issue though.

It may be that the Soviets nuked major population centres in Canada but not in the US because they judged that nuking major population centres in the US would be likely to kick off a full-scale MAD scenario. There's no risk of that with Canada. They don't have nukes.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by comped

EDIT: And could anyone give the rationale why most of Canada's populous cities were hit, when not even most of the US' were?

You have my rationale, which it seems wasn't sufficient. I'm interested to hear other opinions (that's not sarcasm, I'm genuinely interested; rationalizing why things turned out the way they did in the published material is an interesting exercise to me).

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Olefin

I am in the process of trying to put together a list of targets in Spain and Portugal - while Spain was (barely) touched up in Med Cruise it would make for an interesting area to campaign in for Twilight 2000 - especially as Med Cruise does say that British and American servicemen - most likely survivors from Gibraltar or sunken ships in the Med and Atlantic who made it to Spain - may be in Spain still in 2000/2001

Moron (USAF, NASA)
Madrid (USAF)
Gibraltar (UKN)
Cadiz (USN)