Stoner Weapon System replacement?

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

There is a company that makes an MG upper for the M4/M16, not Atchisson, a newer variant. I'll remember when I log off..... Besides, the Stoner links are unique, like the M85's .50 links. The newer system uses links for the M249 and the SAW used by the KFS. This and it's cantankerous nature are why I dropped the M85 from my games.

Are you thinking of the "Shrike" ?

Shrike Machinegun

[.45cultist]

Yes, I think so. I like the KCB-70 bayonet, Eickhorn quit production before I could get another one!

[Project_Sardonicus]

Interesting, most modern post 1970s assault rifles were designed with a squad automatic weapon version as well. And almost universally no one uses it [well the UK uses the saw version of the SA80 as a kind of designated marks man weapon but that's probably because of how expensive it was]

Most nations use the Minimi with a few very similar weapons like the Negev or the Ultimax.

Automatic fire longish range, in a compact package that one man can carry.

But in any kind of combat situation there's been a preference for 7.62 designated marks man rifles and light machine guns in 7.62 of all descriptions. As insurgents with RPGs and Lightmachine guns had a range of advantage.

So the Morrow teams choice of weapons is an interesting. It has to be light, portable and effective. Without allowing a group of angry militia with hunting rifles in 3006 to shoot them to pieces from a distance.

So I guess first of all as of the 1980s all Stoner systems are gone, too heavy and unreliable.

And probably most infantry units, are 2 M4s, one with a grenade launcher one as a DSM, a minimi and a 7.62 DSM rifle.

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by Project_Sardonicus

Interesting, most modern post 1970s assault rifles were designed with a squad automatic weapon version as well. And almost universally no one uses it [well the UK uses the saw version of the SA80 as a kind of designated marks man weapon but that's probably because of how expensive it was]

Most nations use the Minimi with a few very similar weapons like the Negev or the Ultimax.

Automatic fire longish range, in a compact package that one man can carry.

But in any kind of combat situation there's been a preference for 7.62 designated marks man rifles and light machine guns in 7.62 of all descriptions. As insurgents with RPGs and Lightmachine guns had a range of advantage.

So the Morrow teams choice of weapons is an interesting. It has to be light, portable and effective. Without allowing a group of angry militia with hunting rifles in 3006 to shoot them to pieces from a distance.

So I guess first of all as of the 1980s all Stoner systems are gone, too heavy and unreliable.

And probably most infantry units, are 2 M4s, one with a grenade launcher one as a DSM, a minimi and a 7.62 DSM rifle.

"Desert Search" said the M16A2's were purchased as the Stoners ran out.

[Project_Sardonicus]

An M16A2 as a replacement for a LMG might work if the project is planning on invading Endor.
Well that wouldn't work out all that well for the Galactic Empire.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Project_Sardonicus

Interesting, most modern post 1970s assault rifles were designed with a squad automatic weapon version as well. And almost universally no one uses it [well the UK uses the saw version of the SA80 as a kind of designated marks man weapon but that's probably because of how expensive it was]

Most nations use the Minimi with a few very similar weapons like the Negev or the Ultimax.

Automatic fire longish range, in a compact package that one man can carry.

But in any kind of combat situation there's been a preference for 7.62 designated marks man rifles and light machine guns in 7.62 of all descriptions. As insurgents with RPGs and Lightmachine guns had a range of advantage.

So the Morrow teams choice of weapons is an interesting. It has to be light, portable and effective. Without allowing a group of angry militia with hunting rifles in 3006 to shoot them to pieces from a distance.

So I guess first of all as of the 1980s all Stoner systems are gone, too heavy and unreliable.

And probably most infantry units, are 2 M4s, one with a grenade launcher one as a DSM, a minimi and a 7.62 DSM rifle.

I heard a rumor that the French are upgunning their tracked and wheeled APCs. The .50 BMGs are being outranged by Islamic Insurgents with ZSU-23-2s mounted in toyota pickups (technicals) on a regular basis.