OT: Fury

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Raellus

That last battle scene could just as well have been an episode of Bumfights.-

That made me laugh. Nicely said.

[Targan]

Saw it last night. It was ok. The shooty bits were suitably violent and gory but the talky bits just got in the way.

*SPOILERS*

The scene in the apartment with the German women was a total waste of time. The shooting of the German prisoner on his knees after a couple of minutes of US soldiers standing around laughing at him was borderline glorification of war crimes IMO. I'm no bleeding heart and I totally get that the enemy will tend to be shot when they're trying to surrender, let's face it, it would take enormous self control not to shoot someone that had just been trying to kill you and had no doubt just shot some of your friends. But making the guy suffer for a few minutes, the poor bastard hoping that he'd be allowed to live, and then that brutal scene with Norman being physically forced by Wardaddy to shoot the prisoner? Not cool.

I couldn't get my head around the SS Panzergrenadiers' tactics at the end either. Maybe they were a late-war inexperienced formation, out of their heads on crystal meth and all fanatical and crazy? Some good exploding head moments there anyway. To quote Bunny from Platoon "I ain't never seen a head come apart like that"

[Olefin]

Lots of German and American prisoners got shot out of hand during the war, especially later in the war of Germans by Americans.

My own great uncle told me how at Omaha they had shot out of hand several German POW's who had just surrendered. In the heat of battle a lot of men on both sides who had just seen their buddies killed in droves really didnt care too much about what others might see as war crimes.

And I agree on those tactics - those are more like what a Chinese or Japanese commander would come up with, not a German. Unless their commander was some kind of deskbound officer who had never been in combat and had no idea of tactics beyond what he read in wartime propaganda. The only way that scene would have been accurate would be if it was Hitler Youth forces - have read a lot about some incredibly stupid things they did in 1945 because they literally knew nothing about tactics except to charge the enemy.

[Wolf sword]

A bunch of the guys I know who reenact German army during ww2 saw it with a German ww2 vet. They tell me Yogi (the vet) said the last battle was all wrong, even at that point in the war they would have called in artillery and leveled the building and the tank at the crossroads.

[stormlion1]

Counts what's available, this was set in the last month of the war when the bulk of what was available was rerouted to face the Russians and keep them from Berlin. Quite a few German Commanders were more interested in holding the line with the Russians and hoping the Brits and Americans would take Berlin so they could hopefully get a better deal. They didn't know the US and Brits had written Berlin off and they wanted the industrial plants in the West of Germany.

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by stormlion1

Counts what's available, this was set in the last month of the war when the bulk of what was available was rerouted to face the Russians and keep them from Berlin. Quite a few German Commanders were more interested in holding the line with the Russians and hoping the Brits and Americans would take Berlin so they could hopefully get a better deal. They didn't know the US and Brits had written Berlin off and they wanted the industrial plants in the West of Germany.

This is another reason why the film's suicidal German banzai charges on a disabled tank in late April of '45 were all wrong.

[RN7]

I saw it this afternoon. I enjoyed it for the most part, particularly the tank-on-tank scenes. I've seen better but also have seen a lot worse. It wasn't Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers, but it will be good to buy on DVD and watch with a few beers.