Grappling and melee

[Targan]

The way Harnmaster handles grappling you first match the level of success or failure of each participant's appropriate skill roll (Unarmed Combat or a martial art skill) on a two axis grid, one axis for the attacker and one for the defender. The levels of success/failure in Harnmaster are Critical Success, Marginal Success, Marginal Failure, Critical Failure. You cross reference on the grid and it tells you what the next step will be. If the attacker has successfully grappled he can attempt to exploit the hold which requires a further Unarmed or MA check and a test of strength against strength (each side rolls 2d6 and adds their strength to it and highest total wins). There are various things you can do with an exploited hold like squeezing, choking, restraining, attempting to dislocated or break limbs, imobilise etc.

[Caradhras]

I use to do Ju-jitsu and the one on one fights used to include grapple/restraint. This was wholly possible. This said, when I was a skinny 16 yr old this guy who was basically a 30something yr old 16 stoner built like a Dwarf (same width as height) once embarrassed me in front of the whole ju-jitsu class and just stood there completely immobile grinning at my vain attempts to put him on the floor. Would love top meet him in the same scenario now...one, I am far bigger and stranger than I was....two, he would be about 60

This said, I just discussed this thread at lunch with my 2 m8s who are doormen and they agreed with the circumstances you stated. Some guys just wont be restrained.

The rumes are basic enough to just tweak to the situation, if the person being restrained is 'enraged' or similar adjust accordingly.

[TiggerCCW UK]

There's nothing quite like the "Oh shit" factor generated by giving your all against a guy and he just doesn't move. Happened to me back in '98 with a punter who was sleazing over some of my female customers. Asked him to leave, he refused and got a bit lively. I grabbed him and managed to restrain him, but I just couldn't move him. It looked like it was going to come down to who could last longer, but thankfully more of our staff arrived and between us we got him out - turned out he was an Isreali ex squaddie, not something I expected to run across on a Tuesday in Belfast!

[Badbru]

An Israeli ex squadie eh? Reminds me of a story I once heard, or maybe read about. Four Israeli's were holliday in the Kashmir region border of India and Pakistan when it was observed that they were taken hostage by armed gunmen. The next day with a police search gathering momemtum the four stroll into the local police station and dump an armload of weapons on the counter and proceed to give directions to the startled attending officer as to where the no longer armed gunmen could be found.

Maybe you were luckier than you know Tigger...

[TiggerCCW UK]

Very definitely! I reckon he'd probably only done his basic conscription rather than anything more serious as he came across as having no real idea of what to do once I'd grabbed him. I'd him held restrained and he wasn't posing any real risk to me, just struggling fairly ineffectualy, but at the same time I just couldn't get him moved. Could have ended badly I know. You'd think I'd learn my lesson over the years - I had a punter pull a knife on me way back in '95 which I took off him (he was only 18, seriously weedy and so drunk that he was more of a danger to himself), that could have gone tits up as well.

[Caradhras]

[QUOTE=Caradhras]one, I am far bigger and stranger than I was....two, he would be about 60

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ermm, although true that I am stranger - I meant stronger :

[TiggerCCW UK]

As a foot note to this thread, I've been suffering with my knee more than normal since that row, and one of the knuckles on my right hand has been kind of sore and swollen. Went to A&E on Thursday after I felt something rip in my knee. Apparently I've buggered my ACL I already had problems with the knee from a fall while climbing in the alps in '91 (displaced my knee cap about 3/4 of an inch to the left and down) and the doc reckons my ACL has been damaged since then, but this ruck may have pretty much finished it off. As far as the knuckle goes, they think I might have chipped a bone. Back to the hospital on Monday for an x-ray of my hand to see whats wrong with it, and to see an ortho surgeon about the knee. Had better weeks On a crutch now and signed off work for a minimum of 2 weeks. Worst bit is that the little lady doesn't understand why this Tigger just isn't so bouncey today.

[Targan]

Gee Tig that sux

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

As a foot note to this thread, I've been suffering with my knee more than normal since that row, and one of the knuckles on my right hand has been kind of sore and swollen. Went to A&E on Thursday...

I'm a slight bit confused -- here in the US, A&E is a cable TV network...

At least you're not still in the military -- now in retirement, I'm paying for injuries I ignored while on active duty!

[TiggerCCW UK]

Sorry, should have explained. A&E is accident and emergency, equivalent to the ER in America. Read the leaflet that came with my pain killers - apparently one of the side effects is that they can induce a feeling of "excessive well being" - how can that be a problem? And why hasn't it happened with me yet?

[TiggerCCW UK]

Sorry, should have explained. A&E is accident and emergency, equivalent to the ER in America. Read the leaflet that came with my pain killers - apparently one of the side effects is that they can induce a feeling of "excessive well being" - how can that be a problem? And why hasn't it happened with me yet?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Sorry, should have explained. A&E is accident and emergency, equivalent to the ER in America. Read the leaflet that came with my pain killers - apparently one of the side effects is that they can induce a feeling of "excessive well being" - how can that be a problem? And why hasn't it happened with me yet?

Who knows? I've been taken Vicodin for some five years now -- it takes most of the pain away, but doesn't give me a feeling of "excessive well-being."

BTW, in the US, it can be hard to find a doctor who will prescribe narcotics for chronic pain, mostly because of government regulation and patient abuse. I got lucky that Dr. Yu was willing to buck the system. She's one of the best doctors I've ever had.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Read the leaflet that came with my pain killers - apparently one of the side effects is that they can induce a feeling of "excessive well being" - how can that be a problem? And why hasn't it happened with me yet?

Scoff a fistful - that oughta do it.

Umm, I feel I should add that I'm joking.