13th Armored Cavalry Regiment

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Tnchi2a

That is possible the Reference materials I have found seem to contradict each other when it comes to this.

Jane's=said they are the same
Wikipedia=said they are the same
globalsecurity.org/milita = claims there different
General Dynamics Land Systems website = is confusing on the subject
Canadian Army website = waffle on the subject claiming in some place its an upgrade and anothers its a new vehicle build from the ground up ?

It could simply be what their definition of "upgrade" is.

Wikipedia does seem to show is as a LAVIII extension

The Stryker is based on the LAV III light-armored vehicle, which in turn was based on the Swiss MOWAG Piranha III 8x8.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stryker

And this being the Mowag family tree
Family tree

• Piranha I
  • AVGP
  • LAV-25
    • ASLAV
• Piranha II
  • Bison
  • Coyote
  • Desert Piranha
  • LAV II
• Piranha III
  • Piranha IIIC
  • Piranha IIIH
    • LAV III
      • Stryker
      • NZLAV
• Piranha IV
• Piranha V

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowag_Piranha#Family_tree

[Tnchi2a]

Ok it took me awhile but i found my field manual with the U.S. unit breakdowns in it.
First let me say we where all way off in size

U.S. Cavalry unit names
Regiment = Brigade
Squadron = Battalion
Troop = Company
Troop made up of 3 to 4 combat platoons

A typical 1984 Armored Cavalry Squardon OOB would be:

Troop A
1 x Headquarters Troop 1xM1,3xHMMVV,1xM577,1xM106,1xM939 5-ton truck
1 x Platoon of 6 x M3 Bradley CFV
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Platoon of 6 x M3 Bradley CFV
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Mortar Section of 2 x M106s

Troop B
1 x Headquarters Troop 1xM1,3xHMMVV,1xM577,1xM106,1xM939 5-ton truck
1 x Platoon of 6 x M3 Bradley CFV
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Platoon of 6 x M3 Bradley CFV
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Mortar Section of 2 x M106s

Troop C
1 x Headquarters Troop 1xM1,3xHMMVV,1xM577,1xM106,1xM939 5-ton truck
1 x Platoon of 6 x M3 Bradley CFV
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Platoon of 6 x M3 Bradley CFV
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Mortar Section of 2 x M106s

Armor Company (also known as Troop D)
1 x HQ of 2xM1 Abrams,2xHMMVV,1xM106,1xM939 5-ton truck
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
1 x Platoon of 4 x M1 Abrams
Turns out the Army was nearly finished equipping is units with M1s and M3s by 1983 so this unit may or may not have access to them depending on how many are in reserve in 1984.
the M60A4s and M113 ACAVs are the units they replaced as stated earlier.


1st Field Artillery Battalion (Mech)
1x battery of 8x M109A6 ,8x M992 FAASV's, 1x M981 Fire Support Team
1x battery of 8x M109A6 ,8x M992 FAASV's, 1x M981 Fire Support Team

[ArmySGT.]

A Regiment is equivalent to a Brigade..... a little smaller with less support units.

The British Army uses the Regimental system, the U.S. Army abandoned the Regimental system with the Pentomic army structure.

Regimental titles exist but, as a structure not any longer.

*edit* I forgot to add........Regiments are pure...... A Infantry Regiment is just that..... 3-5 Battalions of Infantry. Artillery same. Cavalry same. It was part of the style of the times.

Now with combined arms thinking........ Pure stops at the Battalion level, and Brigades are built of Battalions tasked to missions.

[Tnchi2a]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

A Regiment is equivalent to a Brigade..... a little smaller with less support units.

The British Army uses the Regimental system, the U.S. Army abandoned the Regimental system with the Pentomic army structure.

Regimental titles exist but, as a structure not any longer.

*edit* I forgot to add........Regiments are pure...... A Infantry Regiment is just that..... 3-5 Battalions of Infantry. Artillery same. Cavalry same. It was part of the style of the times.

Now with combined arms thinking........ Pure stops at the Battalion level, and Brigades are built of Battalions tasked to missions.

yeah i change it after i noticed what i had type but you got there first lol

to the second part of your comment the U.S. army has Broken up all of its Regiment to form the brigades which the army is now made up of.
just to be clear the Regiments are still on the books as can be seen here:

7th Cavalry Regiment
1st Squadron is the Armored Reconnaissance Squadron of the 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division stationed at Fort Hood, Texas.
2nd Battalion is a combined arms battalion of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division stationed at Fort Hood, Texas.
3rd Squadron Deactivated 01-7-2015
4th Squadron is the Armored Reconnaissance Squadron of the 1st Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, stationed at Camp Hovey, South Korea.
5th Squadron is the Armored Reconnaissance Squadron of the 1st Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Stewart, Georgia.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Tnchi2a

yeah i change it after i noticed what i had type but you got there first lol

to the second part of your comment the U.S. army has Broken up all of its Regiment to form the brigades which the army is now made up of.
just to be clear the Regiments are still on the books as can be seen here:

7th Cavalry Regiment
1st Squadron is the Armored Reconnaissance Squadron of the 1st Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division stationed at Fort Hood, Texas.
2nd Battalion is a combined arms battalion of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division stationed at Fort Hood, Texas.
3rd Squadron Deactivated 01-7-2015
4th Squadron is the Armored Reconnaissance Squadron of the 1st Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, stationed at Camp Hovey, South Korea.
5th Squadron is the Armored Reconnaissance Squadron of the 1st Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division, stationed at Fort Stewart, Georgia.

What I meant was the title "Regiment" exists for Esprit de Corps and history purposes......... As a force structure.... they are not Regiments any longer.

Wrap your head around this....... Military Police Corps Regiment with Regimental crest (that avatar). See the liberties taken with the naming conventions?

[Adm.Lee]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

The British Army uses the Regimental system, the U.S. Army abandoned the Regimental system with the Pentomic army structure.

Regimental titles exist but, as a structure not any longer.
...
What I meant was the title "Regiment" exists for Esprit de Corps and history purposes......... As a force structure.... they are not Regiments any longer.

That is the regimental system that the British have been using for centuries, and the US adopted at the end of the Pentomic era. With the exception of the cavalry regiments and the US Marines, of course-- they still have actual regiments as formed units.

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

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Now with combined arms thinking........ Pure stops at the Battalion level, and Brigades are built of Battalions tasked to missions.

Yes pure stops at the battalion level, but that is only in peace time. During war Battalion/Company become Task Force/Team. You will still have some pure companies but for the most part at least when I was in Armor and Infantry will be changing to this.

An example of this 1-303AR, 1-161IN peach time both are battalions.
1-303AR has A, B, C, D, and HHC companies.
1-161IN has A, B, C, D, and HHC companies.
At the start of large scale war would change to Task Force.
TF 1-303 would have A, B, C Team, D, and HHC Companies.
A and C Team would be a tank team, B would be an infantry team.
TF 1-161 would have A, B, C team, D, and HHC companies.
A amd C would be infantry team, B would be a tank team.
A tank team is two tank platoons and tank command section, giveing up one tank platoon for one mechanized infantry platoon.
A Infantry platoon is two mechanized infantry platoons and command section, giveing up one infantry platoon for tank platoon.

Or at least that was how I was trained in the early 1990's (1993) and my unit was training for a resumption of hostilites in Keora.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by CDAT

Yes pure stops at the battalion level, but that is only in peace time. During war Battalion/Company become Task Force/Team. You will still have some pure companies but for the most part at least when I was in Armor and Infantry will be changing to this.

An example of this 1-303AR, 1-161IN peach time both are battalions.
1-303AR has A, B, C, D, and HHC companies.
1-161IN has A, B, C, D, and HHC companies.
At the start of large scale war would change to Task Force.
TF 1-303 would have A, B, C Team, D, and HHC Companies.
A and C Team would be a tank team, B would be an infantry team.
TF 1-161 would have A, B, C team, D, and HHC companies.
A amd C would be infantry team, B would be a tank team.
A tank team is two tank platoons and tank command section, giveing up one tank platoon for one mechanized infantry platoon.
A Infantry platoon is two mechanized infantry platoons and command section, giveing up one infantry platoon for tank platoon.

Or at least that was how I was trained in the early 1990's (1993) and my unit was training for a resumption of hostilites in Keora.

True, task organization does happen at Battalion level...... cross leveling to take advantage of the strengths of either...... Germans taught us that one with Ersatz units.

Task Forces are a mission dictates organization that still belongs to the parent Brigade.