Twilight World in 2005 / 2010?

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by kalos72

Yeah the 2300 stuff is a bit hard to swallow but in its own right its some good stuff. We are biased because our first passion is the game before it so....

The hardest part of it to me is Texas. My T2K game is in Texas and with all the resources there I cannot imagine why it wasn't the base for the rebuilding of the country.

Good stuff guys, thanks! I love to hear how others develop the rest of the story.

I have my doubts that Texas would stay attached to a country disputed by two native governments. It would not surprise me to see an Independent Texas State (as in a new country) in a 2300 future. Along with Alaska and a couple of other Western American States.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

I have my doubts that Texas would stay attached to a country disputed by two native governments. It would not surprise me to see an Independent Texas State (as in a new country) in a 2300 future. Along with Alaska and a couple of other Western American States.

By 2300 Texas is an independent nation, with very close ties to the USA.

[Olefin]

My GM flatly rejected the idea that the US would let Mexico keep Southern CA, AZ, NM and Texas - that even if it took to 2020 to bring CivGov and MilGov back together that the first thing they would have done, if they hadnt already done it, was eject Mexico from any US territory they had taken

And Mexican forces in 2001 were very weak in those areas - I doubt Mexico could have held Arizona against the Apache Nation let alone any organized MilGov force.

Plus the Lone Star module and the Mexican Army article in Challenge shows that Mexican forces in CA were basically no further north than the LA basin, in AZ and NM right along the border and in Texas no further north than a line running from Waco to El Paso. North of that is still a lot of Texas - plus you have the Legion area of control in the eastern part of the state around Tyler

Having them control all of Texas till 2100 and most of AZ and NM to 2300 given those dispositions in 2001 makes no sense. At best they would control the south and southwest of Texas -and that is very iffy depending on who gets the oil in Lone Star.

[kalos72]

That was the whole reason we went with the Texas campaign. NO WAY would ANY US government give Texas away.

My group is still debating the whole independent republic or just the base of the nations rebuilding. They HATE leaving Americans to suffer and leaving all those resources unprotected.

I think they are leaning towards an independent republic but one that will accept all American refugees. Even to the point of sending "recruiters" to highly populated areas looking for skilled workers.

They have a problem with drawing the line through...when is resource collection cross the line with stealing?

[.45cultist]

This is where the T2013 had it more correct than T2K. I think the Mexicans halting oil and other products would have been tried. But an invasion is too "iffy" for a third tier nation geared towards internal defence. If they were to go that route then 2000-2001 should have been the start time with Division Cuba training select units and advising that the U.S. is most vulnerable now. The movement of troops south would tip the cart in a lot of regions, stir up New America, etc. This is a guess, I was just a truck driver. But if Mexico were to try a military solution, timing and luck would be needed, not that the CONUS units sucked during the conflict so hand wave it in. I also think the Texas Legion would get it'd heavy gear from the Mexican forces," Sure that's all we captured" to the U.S. forces while stashing stuff away. This wouldbean interesting campaign idea, especially set pre-nuke. Modified it can work as filler in T2013, with the Mexicans receiving Chinese aid for an insurgency.