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Old 05-20-2015, 10:22 PM
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My grandad served in the US Army in Australia in 1942-43. He jumped into New Guinea in 1943 and, after his unit won the engagement, he suffered malaria that kept him in bed until late 1944, sparing him from his unit's jump into Normandy and probably ensuring my existence. When he died shortly after I joined the Army he gave me a thin, grey wool blanket that he purchased in Australia in 1943 (as stated on the tag) and I've taken it every time I go TDY or have deployed. I can't decide if I want to have it wrapped around me when I die or if I want to give it to one of my sons. At any rate, he did not talk about the war much but he did mention the desperate straights that the Australian's felt in 1932-43 a couple of times.
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Although the proposal for a Japanese invasion of Australia remained just that, the Australia government of the day feared that it was on the Japanese agenda and took steps to deal with it. They knew we could never hold onto all of Australia so one proposal for dealing with an invasion was to abandon everything north of the Tropic of Capricorn.
Essentially, all Australians and removable assets would be brought south of the Tropic and everything else would be destroyed - as in "scorched earth". Although there's no official records of it (as it was never officially adopted), there was lots of talk. Later day historians appear to have downplayed it as a misunderstanding or something that was never proposed but they're wrong in one respect, it was definitely talked about at the time - my grandparents lived through WW2 and my maternal grandfather told me in the 1980s (long before the current trend for "revising" history became popular), about scorched earth and the plans to deny northern Australia if the "Japs" invaded.

So yeah, some of us do actually understand the idea of having our homeland devastated and it's just as distressing for us because it would have been by our own hand. While we wouldn't necessarily have had the USA as portrayed in T2k, we would have had something sort of like Red Dawn with a partitioned nation and the enemy right on the doorstep.
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Old 05-21-2015, 03:33 PM
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Although the proposal for a Japanese invasion of Australia remained just that, the Australia government of the day feared that it was on the Japanese agenda and took steps to deal with it. They knew we could never hold onto all of Australia so one proposal for dealing with an invasion was to abandon everything north of the Tropic of Capricorn.
Essentially, all Australians and removable assets would be brought south of the Tropic and everything else would be destroyed - as in "scorched earth". Although there's no official records of it (as it was never officially adopted), there was lots of talk. Later day historians appear to have downplayed it as a misunderstanding or something that was never proposed but they're wrong in one respect, it was definitely talked about at the time - my grandparents lived through WW2 and my maternal grandfather told me in the 1980s (long before the current trend for "revising" history became popular), about scorched earth and the plans to deny northern Australia if the "Japs" invaded.

So yeah, some of us do actually understand the idea of having our homeland devastated and it's just as distressing for us because it would have been by our own hand. While we wouldn't necessarily have had the USA as portrayed in T2k, we would have had something sort of like Red Dawn with a partitioned nation and the enemy right on the doorstep.
US Army had several NG and Reserve Artillery units selected for Area Denial Missions. The 4/92 my old disbanded Reserve Unit was one of them. We used to practice the "Deployment of Nuclear Weapons" (20KT 155mm rounds) at Erie and Pittsburgh PA, Cleveland OH, and Buffalo NY to prevent occupation and use of resources by enemy forces occupying the East Coast of the US. It was a little unnerving to practice destroying those cities with Tactical Nuclear Weapons.
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US Army had several NG and Reserve Artillery units selected for Area Denial Missions. The 4/92 my old disbanded Reserve Unit was one of them. We used to practice the "Deployment of Nuclear Weapons" (20KT 155mm rounds) at Erie and Pittsburgh PA, Cleveland OH, and Buffalo NY to prevent occupation and use of resources by enemy forces occupying the East Coast of the US. It was a little unnerving to practice destroying those cities with Tactical Nuclear Weapons.
That is amazing info! I wonder if, in the T2K world or similar timeline, those units/missions would have been brought back once the Soviets crossed into Alaska?
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Old 05-24-2015, 06:45 AM
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There a Mint at West Point too not a large one but a mint

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Point_Mint
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