OT: Brexit

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Course the Scots don't like it one bit at all - the Scottish leaders sounded like they wanted to pull out of the UK as soon as they could.

But if another referendum occurs it will be put to the Scottish people that England heavily subsidises Scotland, and that if Scotland wants to leave the UK and rejoin the EU then the benign subsidisation from England will be replaced by hard nosed German subsidisation.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by RN7

But if another referendum occurs it will be put to the Scottish people that England heavily subsidises Scotland, and that if Scotland wants to leave the UK and rejoin the EU then the benign subsidisation from England will be replaced by hard nosed German subsidisation.

Well, I think I'm the only person here who will have a vote when rather than if the next Independence referendum takes place and this time round I'd rather take my changes with Merkel's Germany than Farage's England.

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

Well, I think I'm the only person here who will have a vote when rather than if the next Independence referendum takes place and this time round I'd rather take my changes with Merkel's Germany than Farage's England.

I don't think Nige will ever become PM, he couldn't even get elected as a MP. Maybe Boris Johnson!!

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by RN7

I don't think Nige will ever become PM, he couldn't even get elected as a MP. Maybe Boris Johnson!!

I didn't really mean in that sense, it was more a comment on his beliefs.

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

I didn't really mean in that sense, it was more a comment on his beliefs.

Have you heard the latest utterances from the SNP?

With Scotland having a structural deficit of £15 billion, a weak economy hovering close to recession, facing significant economic, legal and political questions about leaving the UK, and also facing the collapse in oil prices and high levels of public spending. Scotland would have to strike a deal with London about paying off its share of the UK’s £1.6 trillion debt and lose Scotland’s share of the UK rebate, find the cash needed for Scotland’s contribution to the EU as well as seeing a flight of British business south to England and losing huge defence contracts, and the EU members would expect Scotland to join the euro.

According to Salmond "There are a range of other options obviously, such as sterlingisation, an independent Scottish currency linked to the pound; an independent Scottish floating currency"

Sturgeon was careful to avoid giving any guarantee, however, that a second referendum would be held, stressing that the challenges of leaving the UK were complex and still unclear since the UK-EU negotiations had not yet begun.

Do they actually know what they are doing?

[Rainbow Six]

Nicola said that a second referendum was now 'highly likely'. My reference to when rather than if it took place was purely my personal opinion.

In one sense the SNP leadership know exactly what they are doing - they want to have a second referendum, but only when they think circumstances have changed sufficiently to allow them to win it. They cannot, under any circumstances, risk having a second referendum and losing it. They would have to wait decades before they could call for a third.

However in another sense matters are out of their hands, and that's where they don't know what they're doing. That's because they want to have a referendum when they think they have a chance of winning it, however they also want to have it before the UK formally leaves the EU, which is likely to be up to two years from when the Prime Minister invokes Article 15. Cameron has already said it should be the new PM who invokes Article 15, so because of these factors the timescale is uncertain (and could be further complicated if the other 27 member states attempt to 'fast track' the UK's exit.

Therefore the clock is already ticking on how they deal with the big ticket items, primarily convincing people that we can afford to be independent. Whether they will be able to do that or not remains to be seen, however that's far outwith the scope of this thread, or this board for that matter.

[RN7]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

Cameron has already said it should be the new PM who invokes Article 15, so because of these factors the timescale is uncertain (and could be further complicated if the other 27 member states attempt to 'fast track' the UK's exit.

It could take up to a decade for the UK to completely unwrangle itself from the EU.

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

Therefore the clock is already ticking on how they deal with the big ticket items, primarily convincing people that we can afford to be independent. Whether they will be able to do that or not remains to be seen, however that's far outwith the scope of this thread, or this board for that matter.

Scotland will have to think long and hard about what is really in its best interest.

Over here in Ireland Sinn Fein are also banging on about a referendum for a United Ireland as Northern Ireland also voted for remain. Imagine Gerry Adams as the president/prime minister of Ireland!!!