US Police Armored Vehicles

[Olefin]

http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/dail...cd9643688.html

From 9/20/2011

Last month, US Border Patrol agents found a dangerous cache of military weapons along the Rio Grande while patrolling the river near Fronton, Texas not far south of the Falcon Lake dam that the Los Zetas Cartel had earlier plotted to blow up, intelligence had indicated.

The cache also was found in an area intelligence more recently indicated the Gulf Cartel had ordered its cross-border smugglers to engage Border Patrol and any other US border region law enforcement officers who get in the way of narco-smuggling operations.

Similarly, several years ago an FBI San Antonio Field Office intelligence advisory strongly warned that the Sinaloa Cartel also had ordered its street enforcers to engage US law enforcement officers to protect cartel smuggling operations across the border into the United States.

Inside the black bag Border Patrol agents found south of Falcon Lake partially hidden by brush was a Light Anti-tank Weapon (LAW) “loaded with a rocket projectile,” according to a source familiar with the seized weapons, a grenade launcher, “TNT cylinder” bombs, six automatic assault rifles and numerous extended capacity magazines, “standard M-4 hand guards” for the M16/AR15 assault rifle and a 2.5 pound C-4 “charge demolition” block in its US military olive drab Mylar wrapping.

So the answer is yes there could be gangs armed with anti-tank weapons - the question is how many other LAW's actually got into cartel gangs hands and their surrogates here in the US

[Rockwolf66]

Originally Posted by Olefin

http://www.hstoday.us/briefings/dail...cd9643688.html

From 9/20/2011

Last month, US Border Patrol agents found a dangerous cache of military weapons along the Rio Grande while patrolling the river near Fronton, Texas not far south of the Falcon Lake dam that the Los Zetas Cartel had earlier plotted to blow up, intelligence had indicated.

The cache also was found in an area intelligence more recently indicated the Gulf Cartel had ordered its cross-border smugglers to engage Border Patrol and any other US border region law enforcement officers who get in the way of narco-smuggling operations.

Similarly, several years ago an FBI San Antonio Field Office intelligence advisory strongly warned that the Sinaloa Cartel also had ordered its street enforcers to engage US law enforcement officers to protect cartel smuggling operations across the border into the United States.

Inside the black bag Border Patrol agents found south of Falcon Lake partially hidden by brush was a Light Anti-tank Weapon (LAW) “loaded with a rocket projectile,” according to a source familiar with the seized weapons, a grenade launcher, “TNT cylinder” bombs, six automatic assault rifles and numerous extended capacity magazines, “standard M-4 hand guards” for the M16/AR15 assault rifle and a 2.5 pound C-4 “charge demolition” block in its US military olive drab Mylar wrapping.

So the answer is yes there could be gangs armed with anti-tank weapons - the question is how many other LAW's actually got into cartel gangs hands and their surrogates here in the US

More than anyone in law enforcement wants. Through various sources it's estimated that The Hell's Angels have had a couple of dozen rocket launchers in their armory. Other gangs have been caught with rocket launchers. Most have been fired off LAW or AT-4 styled launchers. A few have been live either reloaded in an improvised manner or a stolen live launcher.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Similarly, several years ago an FBI San Antonio Field Office intelligence advisory strongly warned that the Sinaloa Cartel also had ordered its street enforcers to engage US law enforcement officers to protect cartel smuggling operations across the border into the United States.

It's well known to us in San Antonio that the East Side and China Grove are rife with Mexican Drug Gangs. And that they're spreading out into the rest of the city, and some of them even live in the Dominion (the absolute richest part of the city). And that they've recruited and are recruiting from the "regular" gangs in the city. And that if you're a white boy like me you don't want to get anywhere near the former Alazon Apache Courts housing development. Or pretty much any low-income housing development. In my neighborhood, tagging, the first sign of a gang forming, started about five years ago. And I'm not allowed to own even a BB Gun because they think that because I'm mentally ill I'll spend all my money amassing an arsenal and I could go postal somewhere any moment. That's the world I live in.

Sorry for getting preachy.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

It's well known to us in San Antonio that the East Side and China Grove are rife with Mexican Drug Gangs. And that they're spreading out into the rest of the city, and some of them even live in the Dominion (the absolute richest part of the city). And that they've recruited and are recruiting from the "regular" gangs in the city. And that if you're a white boy like me you don't want to get anywhere near the former Alazon Apache Courts housing development. Or pretty much any low-income housing development. In my neighborhood, tagging, the first sign of a gang forming, started about five years ago. And I'm not allowed to own even a BB Gun because they think that because I'm mentally ill I'll spend all my money amassing an arsenal and I could go postal somewhere any moment. That's the world I live in.

Sorry for getting preachy.

I'd be "preachy" too. You DON'T have to be defenseless in your home though. I'd go "Medieval" with my defense. A good bow, sling, crossbow, or atlatl can kill just as effectively as a gun at short range and isn't prohibited/registered in most jurisdictions. I'd try to find a good bow with a 50lb draw weight and practice with it. An older fiberglass bow will run about $100 dollars and the practice counts as exercise. A sling can be carried very easily and ammo is readily available anywhere there are rocks. You can even make a "survival bow" using YouTube videos for reference.

When out, I'd carry a tactical Flashlight like the SureFire or Streamlight. You can "flash" a target and blind them but the flashlight also makes a GOOD IMPACT WEAPON. Using it like a Kubotan, you should strike for the bridge of the nose or throat with the Bezel to disable your aggressor. You then run/break contact if practical.

Projectile weapons are drastically "underestimated" in the Twilight2000 rules. I could see European towns arming their citizens with bows and crossbows for defense. These weapons can kill at short range every bit as effectively as guns and are easier to make and provide ammo for. the long tradition Europe has with medieval weapons would make this easier there. Imagine a dozen men armed with crossbows guarding a bridge taking turns firing while their partner reloads. If the opposing force doesn't have "overwhelming firepower," they may decide that town is too tough a nut to crack.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

When out, I'd carry a tactical Flashlight like the SureFire or Streamlight. You can "flash" a target and blind them but the flashlight also makes a GOOD IMPACT WEAPON. Using it like a Kubotan, you should strike for the bridge of the nose or throat with the Bezel to disable your aggressor. You then run/break contact if practical.

I'm guessing that what you call a Kubotan is what I call a Yawara. (I'm guessing we studied different martial arts.) I carry one of those flashlights in my pocket, and have several in the house and another in the car. They sell them by ton down at Walmart for a dollar apiece, so I can have plenty of them and if I break one, so what.

And unfortunately, I'm not allowed bows or crossbows. Not sure what Texas says about knives, however...I have an ornamental Wakizashi in my closet, and while it doesn't have much of a blade, it does have a wicked point.

[rcaf_777]

Here an M114 Command and Reconnaissance Carrier in police service

[WallShadow]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

Here an M114 Command and Reconnaissance Carrier in police service

Let's hope it is more functional in its current employ than it was when originally fielded.
What sheriff's dept is it serving in?

[rcaf_777]

It belong to Gwinnett County Sheriff Office in Georgia

Here some more info

http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=770347

Shots of the inside

http://forums.g503.com/viewtopic.php?t=114627

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I'm guessing that what you call a Kubotan is what I call a Yawara. (I'm guessing we studied different martial arts.) I carry one of those flashlights in my pocket, and have several in the house and another in the car. They sell them by ton down at Walmart for a dollar apiece, so I can have plenty of them and if I break one, so what.

And unfortunately, I'm not allowed bows or crossbows. Not sure what Texas says about knives, however...I have an ornamental Wakizashi in my closet, and while it doesn't have much of a blade, it does have a wicked point.

There is a ballpoint pen that does similar duty. Navy guys tell of making Monkey fist knots with large ball bearings as an improvised self defense weapons overseas.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

There is a ballpoint pen that does similar duty. Navy guys tell of making Monkey fist knots with large ball bearings as an improvised self defense weapons overseas.

Schrade makes an affordable Tactical Pen that's not bad. It has a glass breaker too. As much as I love my SureFire Flashlights, I CANNOT bring myself to spend almost $200 on a titanium Tactical Pen.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

Schrade makes an affordable Tactical Pen that's not bad. It has a glass breaker too. As much as I love my SureFire Flashlights, I CANNOT bring myself to spend almost $200 on a titanium Tactical Pen.

I have a Smith & Wesson tactical pen. It's pretty solid.

[Draq]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I'm guessing that what you call a Kubotan is what I call a Yawara. (I'm guessing we studied different martial arts.) I carry one of those flashlights in my pocket, and have several in the house and another in the car. They sell them by ton down at Walmart for a dollar apiece, so I can have plenty of them and if I break one, so what.

And unfortunately, I'm not allowed bows or crossbows. Not sure what Texas says about knives, however...I have an ornamental Wakizashi in my closet, and while it doesn't have much of a blade, it does have a wicked point.

Texas just recently passed a law basically permitting open carry of any freaking bladed weapon available. Swords, Spears, knive over 6' inches, switch blades, gladius, katana, Bowie knife, combat knife, etc...

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Draq

Texas just recently passed a law basically permitting open carry of any freaking bladed weapon available. Swords, Spears, knive over 6' inches, switch blades, gladius, katana, Bowie knife, combat knife, etc...

Yeah, but the seriously mentally ill have different, more restrictive laws which apply to them. Believe me, I check them about four times a year, hoping that those (like me) who are stable on medication will be allowed to own firearms. (That's a bill that goes through the Texas legislature from time to time, always defeated so far.)

[Draq]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Yeah, but the seriously mentally ill have different, more restrictive laws which apply to them. Believe me, I check them about four times a year, hoping that those (like me) who are stable on medication will be allowed to own firearms. (That's a bill that goes through the Texas legislature from time to time, always defeated so far.)

I understand.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I'm guessing that what you call a Kubotan is what I call a Yawara. (I'm guessing we studied different martial arts.) I carry one of those flashlights in my pocket, and have several in the house and another in the car. They sell them by ton down at Walmart for a dollar apiece, so I can have plenty of them and if I break one, so what.

And unfortunately, I'm not allowed bows or crossbows. Not sure what Texas says about knives, however...I have an ornamental Wakizashi in my closet, and while it doesn't have much of a blade, it does have a wicked point.

I'd buy a $10 paracord Shepard's Sling (ReadyMan sells them). It WILL take LOTS of practice to become proficient but they do work. It looks like a bundle of cord and you can get "ammo" out of any stream or river. Just look for 300 to 400-gram stones that are smooth and oval-shaped. Keep it in your house with a good old-fashioned WOODEN baseball bat and a cheap baseball glove. Anyone who sees it will just assume you play and you won't be defenseless in your own home. You also have the best "biological burglar alarm" ever made in your dogs.

You might also check out the TASER PULSE. If you can carry the PULSE, remember to keep your receipt. The PULSE is designed to deliver a 30-second pulse so you can drop it and run. The manufacturer is claiming they will replace a PULSE used in self-defense if you have your receipt AND a police report. Unlike stun guns, tasers DO WORK without having to hit one of the 13 nerve bundles/pressure points on the body.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

You might also check out the TASER PULSE. If you can carry the PULSE, remember to keep your receipt. The PULSE is designed to deliver a 30-second pulse so you can drop it and run. The manufacturer is claiming they will replace a PULSE used in self-defense if you have your receipt AND a police report. Unlike stun guns, tasers DO WORK without having to hit one of the 13 nerve bundles/pressure points on the body.

I actually don't know what the laws say about something like that. I can carry pepper spray -- seems like the Taser would be along the same lines. I'll have to go back to the city's and state's sites and look.