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Old 12-20-2016, 09:55 AM
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I think Sgt is closer about the numbers. Looking at the breakdown of National level bases and teams that need to be staffed, there are a total of 28. Three of them are hospitals, which if we say they are the equivalent of a Combat Support Hospital with 250 beds, you will have around 600 people staffing each one. If it is staffed more like a regular hospital, 250 beds will have closer to 1200 people staffing it. Seven are research labs, which if I use the small biotech research lab I worked at as a model, has about 5 researchers, 15 assistants and, 15 glass/machinists/maintenance workers.

With just this level of staffing of these two types, we have between 2000 and 3800 people. How many are stationed at Prime Base, 100? How many workers per factory, 25?

The air bases easily each have about 3 each of 2 different rotary wing craft and some number of fixed wing craft. For now let's say 2 fixed wing. There will be some crossover, but some specialist for each aircraft. There should be about 20 pilots (2 per craft plus 4 for rotation), 15 mechanics and machinist, plus at least 5 for base logistics like flight scheduling and air traffic control. That put another 40 per base, 120 total, under the national bases.

These numbers probably more accurately describe staffing at the Regional level bases. Are the National level hospitals and bases larger and have even more staff than this? Any way you slice this, you are disappearing a modest sized city.
Kato13 again beat me to it, but nothing in TMP ever has what we would consider "normal" staffing.

The hospitals I am envisioning are small - day-to-day medical needs are on the medical teams in the field (and in this version of the Project, about 2/3 of Science command is medical staff!), the "hospitals" at the regional and group levels are designed for those few cases that require either exceptional facilities and/or exceptional knowledge AND which can justify sending a vehicle hundreds or thousands of miles in a world where there may only be a few thousand operational vehicles for a population in the tens of millions. So think of the hospitals as having around 40 staff, total, with a lot of automeds.

The research labs are relatively well staffed (around 40) simply because they were working before the war and froze everyone, but I only envision a handful of "support staff" in each - your assistant for this project may well be your boss for another project, and washing beakers and sweeping floors happens by rota, there is no room for PhD's too proud to wipe down a counter.

The factories and logistics bases are also around 40 personnel because they rely heavily on automation and are limited in the scope of what they can do. Remember that the Starnaman supply base canonically was completely unmanned and self-sufficient, I am envisioning bases that use a small staff to direct but have similar levels of automation.

The air bases have small staffs (around 40 national and 20 regional) in part because fusion-powered aircraft should require less maintenance (no ICE's, just electric motors!) and in part because all the flight crews are included in the regional and national MARS and Recovery commands. Same for the sea bases.

The comms bases and archives are both small, about 20 and 9 personnel each respectively. The comms bases are more focused on mostly switchboards and relays, and the archives are not even intended to operate until there is a healthy civilian population ready to unbox artwork and read books.

Prime base and the reserve have about 200 people split between them just to run the base - maintenance, cafeteria, plumbing, etc. The national command team is likewise split between the two facilities and uses them to run the project. When you toss in the major subcommands you have almost 1,300 people split between the two facilities.
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Then I completely do not understand this method of accounting for personnel.
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Then I completely do not understand this method of accounting for personnel.
Like with any math equation, the answer is dependent on the question. If I ask "how many men are in a battalion", and you ask "how many are men in the battalion headquarters company" our answers are not going to look the same! I wanted to know how many people were in the Project, and I wanted it as a single, automatic output of my structure. That's what this is - National Command: 44,396. There are 44,396 people in the Project.

If it helps, my use of "Command" does not mean "headquarters unit" but rather "everyone and everything under the command of person X". A Regional Command is everything under the command of the Regional Commander, including all subsidiary subcommands, Areas, Groups, Teams, etc.
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Sorry, I know this is an old thread but...

Do you guys have these bases detailed out? Like what do you have at a regional base or a Comms base? How many people of each team at each location? What assets are at each?

I am working on a modified T2K/MP theory and am just starting to work out the details.
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Do you guys have these bases detailed out? Like what do you have at a regional base or a Comms base? How many people of each team at each location? What assets are at each?
I have some detail on manpower, as that was the thrust of my first cut. I can, for example, tell you how many of each team member are in each team or facility or command, but they are initial numbers and I am not certain that I am happy with them.

My next step was going to be vehicles but my initial looks gave me some weird numbers - the Project's nature means it needs a LOT of vehicles, and (IMO) those vehicles need to be tough, but that can easily lead to the point where the Project has more APC's than most nations. I should get back to this but the game I was planning has been shelved for the moment.
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Like with any math equation, the answer is dependent on the question. If I ask "how many men are in a battalion", and you ask "how many are men in the battalion headquarters company" our answers are not going to look the same! I wanted to know how many people were in the Project, and I wanted it as a single, automatic output of my structure. That's what this is - National Command: 44,396. There are 44,396 people in the Project.

If it helps, my use of "Command" does not mean "headquarters unit" but rather "everyone and everything under the command of person X". A Regional Command is everything under the command of the Regional Commander, including all subsidiary subcommands, Areas, Groups, Teams, etc.
Regaurdless of differences, it's interesting to see others' work.
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