US 2nd Fleet Questions

[kalos72]

I am good with moving some of the ships to a previous/older class, that makes sense, but does the size/strength of the unit make sense as well?

[dragoon500ly]

I think so, just to be a tad more realistic...add a couple of freighters to carry the NGs and their gear. Perhaps add several LCVPs and LCMs as deck cargo.

Another possible is to add either the British or Dutch Caribbean Station warship with a company of Royal Marines or Dutch Marines, I do know that both countries do exercise with US Marines on a regular basis, there is even a photo in Armies of NATO`s Central Front showing Dutch and US Marines on a joint exercise.

Just a few more random thoughts.....

[kalos72]

Yeah, we were going to add some support ships but those aren't nearly as critical because of all the civilians options out there.

We had talked about adding another DDG and SSN to the mix to cover both ends of the PCZ. Also, some 10 or so Point Class Cutters for patrol duties but we were wondering if they would/could be up armed to meet more of a combat role vs interdiction.

[dragoon500ly]

More likely it would be additional FFG/FFs, if only because those classes were the most numerous ships in the fleet at this time.

As far as the cutters go, the Points normally carry two .50 caliber machine guns and 2 Mark 19 AGLs, it's possible that one or two 20mm cannons might be fitted. As far as them being assigned to Panama...these are 82 foot boats with a max range of 1,500 nautical miles at 8 knots, so they could reach, but these boats are used for port security and search and rescue, they don't have the habitation for extended periods.

Most likely, a small number might be carried as deck cargo into the AO and off loaded in port.

[kalos72]

I still have some modifications to make here ad I think the Air components might be overkill but its the basis I think...

Sixth Army - U.S. Army South (ARSOUTH)


92nd Infantry Brigade – PR NG - San Juan, PR
1) 1- 65th Infantry Battalion (Air Assault)
2) 1- 295th Infantry Battalion (Air Assault)
3) 1- 296th Infantry Battalion (Air Assault)
4) 1- 162nd Field Artillery Battalion
5) E Troop/ 192nd Cavalry Regiment
6) 892nd Engineer Company
7) 292nd Military Intelligence Company
8) E Btry/ 201st ADA Regiment
9) 292nd Support Battalion (Fwd)

193rd Infantry Brigade (Light) - Roosevelt Roads Naval Station, PR
1) 4- 10th Infantry Battalion (Light)
2) 5 -87th Infantry Battalion (Light)
3) 1 -508th Infantry Battalion (Airborne)
4) D Battery, 320th Field Artillery Regiment
5) 2-265th Air Defense Artillery : 24 Hawk
6) E Troop, 193rd Cavalry Regiment
7) 9th Engineer Company
8) 193rd Support Battalion (Fwd)

53rd Infantry Brigade - Tampa, FL:
1) 1-124 Infantry Battalion (Light):
2) 2-124 Infantry Battalion (Light):
3) 3-124 Infantry Battalion (Light):
4) 2-116 Field Artillery Bn: 105mm towed
5) 153rd Engineer Co:
6) Troop E, 153rd Cav:
7) E det/265th ADA:
8 153rd Support Battalion

210th Aviation (Combat) at Howard AFB - 4xAH-1/ 6xOH-58 - Air Cav Troop

114th Aviation Company (Combat Support) at Howard - 15x UH-60 - Air Assault Troop

3rd Platoon, 242nd Aviation Company (Medium Helicopter) at Howard - 8xCH-47

1097th TRANS Coy (Medium Boat) Fort Davis - 6xLCU 1600s and two LCU 2000s

2-162nd Field Artillery (PR): 105mm Towed

1-162nd Field Artillery (PR): 155mm Towed

448th ENG Battalion (Combat Heavy) - PR

1-111th Aviation (Attack) (FL): AH-1

164th Air Defense Artillery Brigade - Orlando, FL:
1-265th Air Defense Artillery – Daytona Beach, FL: Chapparal
2-265th Air Defense Artillery – Orlando, FL: 24 Hawk
3-265th Air Defense Artillery – West Palm Beach, FL: Chapparal


Special Operations Command South (USSOCSOUTH)

7th Special Forces Group- 3rd Battalion in Panama

1st Battalion, 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) - KY

2nd Battalion, 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (Airborne) - KY

1-75th Ranger Battalion - Ft Stewart, GA
711th SOS, 919th Special Operations Group – Duke Field, FL: AC/C-130



U.S. Marine Corps Forces, South (USMARFORSOUTH)

22nd US Marine MEU (MAGTF/CE)
1) BLT 3/8 (GCE)
a) 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment : 1103 men
b) Artillery Battery: 4 M198, 4 M101A1
c) Tank Platoon: 5 M60A1
d) Amphibious Assault Vehicle Platoon: 12 AAV
e) Reconnaissance Platoon
f) Combat Engineer Platoon
2) HMM-162(Composite) (ACE)
a) HMM-162 “Golden Eagles”: 12 CH-46E
b) det HMLA-269: 4 AH-1T, 3 UH-1N
c) det HMH-464: 4 CH-53E
3) Combat Logistics Battalion 8 (CLB-8) (LCE) - Camp Lejeune NC
1x Company, 2nd Maintenance Battalion
1x Company, 2nd Medical Battalion
1x Company, 2nd Supply Battalion
1x Company, 2nd Dental Battalion
1x Company, 8th Engineer Support Battalion
1x Company, 2nd Military Police Battalion

3rd Marine Combined Battalion - Guantanamo Bay Cuba
1x Headquarters & Service Company
Delta Company, 4th Tank Battalion
Bravo Company, 2nd Battalion, 26th Marine Regiment
Charlie Company, 2nd Battalion, 26th Marine Regiment
Delta Company, 2nd Battalion, 26th Marine Regiment
1x Battery, 5th Battalion, 10th Marine Regiment
1x Platoon, Echo Company, 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion 1x Platoon, Echo Company, 1st Combat Engineer Battalion
1x Platoon, Echo Company, 8th Communications Battalion
1x Platoon, Echo Company, 2nd Intelligence Battalion
1x Platoon, Echo Company, 2nd Radio Battalion
1x Platoon, Echo Company, 6th Motor Transport Battalion
1x Flight, Marine Light Attack Helicopter Squadron 567

Marine Air Group 26 – New River, NC
i) HMM-261(C) “Raging Bulls”: 12 CH-46E
ii) HMM-264 “Black Knights”: 12 CH-46E
iii) HMM-266 “Fighting Griffons”: 12 CH-46E
iv) HMH-362 “Ugly Angles”: 22 CH-53D
v) HMH-461 “Sea Stallions”: 12 CH-53E
vi) HMLA-167 “Warriors”: 13 AH-1T, 11 UH-1N

Twelfth Air Force - Air Forces Southern (AFSOUTH)
198th Tactical Fighter Squadron - San Juan PR: 24 F-16 A/B

24th Tactical Air Support Squadron: 10 A-37
(had 4 A-7, 2 A-10, 2 C-130 units attached from CONUS)

61st Military Airlift Group – Howard AFB, Panama
310th MAS: 10 C-130H

103rd TFS, 111th TASG – NAS Willow Grove, PA: 18 A-10




Fourth Fleet - U.S. Naval Forces Southern Command (NAVSO)
Wasp Expeditionary Strike Group
USS Wasp (LHD 1)
USS Shreveport (LPD-12)
USS Whidbey Island (LSD 41)
USS Yorktown (CG-48)
USS Leyte Gulf (CG-55)
USS Newport News (SSN 750) - Not sure if this is correct
USS McFaul (DDG-74)
US Navy Additions:
USS Cole (DDG-67)
USS Boise (SSN-764)
US Coast Guard Additions:
2 Hamilton Class - up-armed for combat??
4 Famous Class - up-armed for combat??
10 Point Class - up-armed two Mk 38 Mod 0 weapons systems

Naval Mobile Construction Battalion SEVEN (NMCB 7) – PR

[Adm.Lee]

Sending even a squadron of A10s to Panama seems like overkill when there's hundreds of Pact tanks to shoot in Europe and Iran.

[kalos72]

Originally Posted by Adm.Lee

Sending even a squadron of A10s to Panama seems like overkill when there's hundreds of Pact tanks to shoot in Europe and Iran.

Thats true, Europe is a MUCH more target rich environment. Maybe move that to the A7's to help support the Amphibious capability and give a solid craft to give land forces?

Anyone have thoughts on the rest? All input is welcome as always...

[mpipes]

I put reactivated USMC reservist flying refurbished 12xF-4Ss in Panama in a composite squadron along with 4xC-130s and another 8xA-7Es flown by naval reservists.

I don't think you'ld have a full squadron of active duty 18xA-10s, but more like an 8 ship deployment of ANG or USAFR A-10s. Maybe a detachment of early 6xF-16As or reactivated A-7Ds as well. Everything organized to a composite wing.

Likely you'ld have at least one AC-130.

Never forget, Davis-Montham is being stripped of airframes as fast as they can be refurbished and put back in the air. Panama, being the relative backwater it would be, probably gets those aircraft.

[Olefin]

If you want to look at aircraft for Panama look at things like A-37's - they are a perfect match for that area and actually were the last place the US had them on active duty - with the Cold War going longer they may have stayed there

- but I agree you would need some kind of air superiority fighters there - but they might be survivors from earlier in the war that are still operational - i.e. the last three F-4's out of a group of fifteen or something like that