4th ed T2K

[Olefin]

Twilight 2000 has never been a game that had an issue with minority representation - look at the original art that was on the boxed set and the original modules - blacks, whites, Latinos and women who were obviously armored and infantry members. Considering the time period when it was released the game has always been about a full representation of the ethnicities, genders, and races that made up a typical NATO unit of wartorn 2000.

Heck look at the entry under Body Combat Damage - Bobbi Lee kicking a guy in the head and breaking his neck - and Bobbi Lee is a woman - and this in a game that was released in 1984.

Thus the 4th edition embracing that is a continuation of what the game has always been about - i.e. you can play or be anyone as part of a campaign.

[Raellus]

I'm really digging the art.

https://mailchi.mp/b66279b6b260/alie...fYtvXz9n3zoUB4

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Interesting to see that Free League has a forum devoted to T2k but more so for some of the comments.
It appears that the single voice of dislike of 4th edition that has been seen here has been, shall we say, exaggerated, into a "group of old guard wishing for 4th editions downfall".

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

It appears that the single voice of dislike of 4th edition that has been seen here has been, shall we say, exaggerated, into a "group of old guard wishing for 4th editions downfall".

How can there be an informed dislike of something no one has yet seen? I think the pre-judging of a yet-to-be-seen product, based on principle, or inferences based on Free League's existing product, or whatever, probably comes across to a lot of folks as a "group of old guard wishing for 4th edition's downfall".

I'm a little cynical, a little skeptical, but I'm going to give it a chance before I make up my mind one way or the other.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I find myself actually getting a little bit more excited for the new edition as the weeks roll by. As mentioned elsewhere, the Year Zero rules are not my particular cup of tea but I am very interested in seeing what other material Free League might produce for the Twilight setting.
So while I wouldn't be inclined to use the rules, I'd have no particular objection to buying the books and supporting the new edition.

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

Interesting to see that Free League has a forum devoted to T2k but more so for some of the comments.
It appears that the single voice of dislike of 4th edition that has been seen here has been, shall we say, exaggerated, into a "group of old guard wishing for 4th editions downfall".

Also interesting to see that in the update Rae linked, they pointed to the Facebook group but not to this forum.

Originally Posted by Raellus

How can there be an informed dislike of something no one has yet seen?

"All of this has happened before and all of this will happen again."

- C.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

There's a few facebook sites for T2k, some more welcoming than others, which one did they choose?

As for not making any connection to this specific site... well... that's a decision that's open to interpretation and ripe for misinterpretation. Considering the number of published official articles, books etc. etc. that have come from certain members of this forum, I'd like to think that not mentioning this forum was just a simple oversight.

[Tegyrius]

Looks like https://www.facebook.com/groups/twilight2k/, which tells me nothing - I'm not on FB. Is that a group that's known to the community?

- C.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I'm not a facebook user myself, I find its format pretty much useless for finding topics of interest. However I do know that some people from this forum have had problems with one specific facebook T2k group.
It essentially boiled down to "there will be no opinions other than my own", the person in charge declaring something along the lines of "T2k should be done this way and this way only, you do not have the right to disagree with me, so do things my way or you get hit with the ban hammer".

[Cypher]

Totally agree Olefin, this has been one of the most refreshing (admittedly small) rpg communities in this regard, and like you said, a diverse cast has always been represented in T2k (like the v2 cover, for example). It's one of the things that (subconsciously I think) made it stand out for me all those years ago as opposed to classic d&d, for example.

Some gaming communities have seen a vocal minority responding extremely negatively to the idea of a cast of characters with more diversity - see the reaction to Games Workshop's recent novel series announcement with a black space marine on the cover :eyeroll:

Back to 4th Ed, I quite like the art direction we've seen so far, it's got a reasonable amount of grit.

As I've said over on the FL forums, my big hope is for a set of settlement building and expanding rules, with appropriate tweaks for different biomes around the world as the setting expands.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Now Tegyrius* will know better than me so if wants to correct me, no problem, but I'm pretty sure 3rd Ed. had rules for scavenging materials and building various structures. I have a vague recollection of it because at the time I thought it was similar (in a good way) to the same rules in the Aftermath RPG.
They may be suitable for converting to 4th Ed. perhaps?

* and any of the other forum members who play 3rd Ed.