Design Discussion: Barriers to New Player Entry for T2k

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by kato13

I fully agree the Dndbeyond system works really well for 5e. Wish I had found it when I first DM'ed

On the other hand this is the T2k13 char gen process



I thought about building a character maker (why else build a flowchart), but at a minimum providing something like this for a map (with decisions and page numbers) is something every complicated system should do.

Yep - it *looks* complicated. But the only really hard part is gearing up, which, other than the random tables, offers no advice other than "don't exceed your allotted amount of stuff."

A list of "this is all the standard issue kit a soldier in this army gets issued" would go a long way.

[Tegyrius]

Kato, when you diagram it like that, all I can say is, "it made more sense inside my head at the time."

- C.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

Kato, when you diagram it like that, all I can say is, "it made more sense inside my head at the time."

- C.

Hey if I didn't like it would I have done this?

I don't care about the number of steps but the jumping around in the book was a little confusing. I know publishing has to be flexible, but after the final print is approved something with page numbers like this could be useful. That is why I built it.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by kato13

Hey if I didn't like it would I have done this?

I don't care about the number of steps but the jumping around in the book was a little confusing. I know publishing has to be flexible, but after the final print is approved something with page numbers like this could be useful. That is why I built it.

I'm in the process of typing up the entire core book rules into a personal new document, but rolling in all the shooters guides, addendum, and errata. I'm moving the equipment section after the life path section, vehicles after that, then combat, then the exploration/upkeep stuff. In my mind, that's the best order of the chapters.

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by kato13

Hey if I didn't like it would I have done this?

I don't care about the number of steps but the jumping around in the book was a little confusing. I know publishing has to be flexible, but after the final print is approved something with page numbers like this could be useful. That is why I built it.

Either you liked it or you were so angry at it that you spent hours making a flowchart to illustrate how broken it is. I don't think you're that vindictive...

Good to see you posting again, by the way.

As far as the organization... fair criticism. More cross-references and a different overall organizational scheme would have been good. After doing all the layout for the weapon and equipment tables, though, I think Keith might have put out a hit on me if I'd asked for any more InDesign tinkering...

- C.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

Either you liked it or you were so angry at it that you spent hours making a flowchart to illustrate how broken it is. I don't think you're that vindictive...

Good to see you posting again, by the way.

As far as the organization... fair criticism. More cross-references and a different overall organizational scheme would have been good. After doing all the layout for the weapon and equipment tables, though, I think Keith might have put out a hit on me if I'd asked for any more InDesign tinkering...

- C.

Would it have made more sense to split the firearms stats - with those related to procuring in the equipment section and those related to use in the combat section?