Some T2K artwork i've done...

[Targan]

Originally Posted by kato13

A lot has changed in the past 25 years.

My hairline for instance

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by bigehauser

Pictures are great, but your ACUs are slightly off in a few of those...missing the IR chit covers, and three cell writing utensil pouch on the left forearm sleeve. Also, the cuffs and their velcro should be present. The rank insignia on the chest, unless it's a two star general or more, needs to be a two by two inch square. Note that with the first pic, the bottom part of the ACU coat blouses out more, following the cut of the male Vee shape of the torso that melds into his pelvic area. Finally, a very slight, but noticeable line goes down the center of the velcro shoulder sleeve insignia areas on either shoulder.

Sorry if I offend, I just have a very intimate relationship with the Army Combat Uniform.

Something to keep in mind is the timeframe. I know next to nothing about US uniforms, but I think it bears mentioning that it's extremely unlikely for uniforms (and every other piece of equipment for that matter) developed and issued after late 1997 to appear in T2K.
In fact, I would think that once the nukes started to fly, uniforms and equipment would go backwards as manufacturing ability disappeared and old stocks would need to be drawn upon.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

... I think it bears mentioning that it's extremely unlikely for uniforms (and every other piece of equipment for that matter) developed and issued after late 1997 to appear in T2K.
In fact, I would think that once the nukes started to fly, uniforms and equipment would go backwards as manufacturing ability disappeared and old stocks would need to be drawn upon.

Agreed. This brings us back to previous discussions we have had on this forum and its predecessor about differences between the T2K timeline and the RL timeline in terms of some military weapons and equipment having faster or slower development tracks in the T2K timeline because the Cold War didn't end. There is obviously a limit however. Plus or minus five years or less in my opinion.

[TiggerCCW UK]

But the guy in the drawing has long hair!!! Surely thats not the same image?

Dude, whatever...if you are gonna draw the ACUs...draw em right...these are cheap as hell to manufacture already...so....yeahhhh. LOL

[kato13]

Regarding the ACUs I agree with Targan. In a t2k game the continued cold war can change the changed in equipment or doctrine dramatically. I have always wondered if NATO would have pushed the one fuel standard if the cold war continued as it did lead to logistical hiccups which might have degraded efficiency.

Another thing to note is that these drawings were for T2k13 so an ACU or something close to it would be appropriate depending on when the time line changes.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by bigehauser

I thought I recognized those.

Pictures are great, but your ACUs are slightly off in a few of those...missing the IR chit covers, and three cell writing utensil pouch on the left forearm sleeve. Also, the cuffs and their velcro should be present. The rank insignia on the chest, unless it's a two star general or more, needs to be a two by two inch square. Note that with the first pic, the bottom part of the ACU coat blouses out more, following the cut of the male Vee shape of the torso that melds into his pelvic area. Finally, a very slight, but noticeable line goes down the center of the velcro shoulder sleeve insignia areas on either shoulder.

Sorry if I offend, I just have a very intimate relationship with the Army Combat Uniform.

It's okay... i have only gotten to use reference photos that i had been able to get my hands on. i'm still looking for more reference photos to make the pictures as accurate as possible as i get to do them... but since i've not drawn anything since December 2008... it's kind of mute point.

i'm sorry for the delay in the responses... but i'm in the UK visiting the boys. having to deal with emma and her family, not allowing me to be alone with my sons... making me feel as if i've walked into a lion's den here.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by smokewolf

Since it was brought up...for the record, I loved the work.

Unfortunately, many of the drawings submitted were images from famous people, recognizable imagery or scenes from movies/TV and thus derivative work. The inclusion of it would have been a copyright violation of the original work.

I admit that it wasn't until after you had turned them down that i discovered that the doctor and child looked like the character Dr. Greene from ER. i'm not upset that the artwork didn't get used, that was my 'wife' who got upset and used it at any and every opurtunity to hurt me. And still does, and this is after i've aggreed to give her the divorce she wants. go figure.

[natehale1971]

In my campaign, i had National Guard units back in the US using Vietnam-era (and older) surplus uniforms and other personal equipment. Heck, my MP campaign the Snake-Eater teams had caches full of had uniforms, weapons and equipment that was drawn from stocks as far back as early-WW2 (M1941 field uniforms for example). Normally these where intended to be issued to locally raised and trained militias... but these are US Army Special Forces green berets, so they would be wearing the same thing, using the same gear (possibly with their more modern weapons if they so chose)... One of the Snake-Eater teams had a major stockpile of WW2 weapons, uniforms, equipment, vehicle and gear... The cache had originally been set up by FEMA, using the old stockpiles that hadn't ben sold off to surplus or destroyed post-ww2 (all those M1 SMGs, M1911A1 pistols, M1 carbines, ect...).

My T2k campaign also had USAF personnel turned into field units equipped with guntrucks to police and patrol rear-guard areas since they didn't really have aircraft to keep in the air anymore.

Oh... and they also took old parachutes and turned them into hot-air ballon like weather ballons that where used to replace spy and communications satelites.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

i'm sorry for the delay in the responses... but i'm in the UK visiting the boys. having to deal with emma and her family, not allowing me to be alone with my sons... making me feel as if i've walked into a lion's den here.

No need to apologize. Good luck with your visit. Spend as much time as you can with them, we will still be here.

[kcdusk]

A picture i took last weekend (the B&W one). Fits the theme of own artwork. Thread hijack for my photos ...

[TiggerCCW UK]

Nice pics KC.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I really love the one where the soldier is crying over the baby. Very touching.

I can't add anything, it says it all.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

I can't add anything, it says it all.

I have been crying alot lately. I miss my boys so damn much. I've been taking extra meds to make me stay asleep. i know that it isn't healthy. but i hurt so damn much that i have to find a way to get through the day without breaking down into tears. it's part of the reason i wanted to set up the play-by-post game here. hoping that would take up as much of the time and keep my mind off my boys. and how much i hurt and ache to be holding them.

i dont know what to do anymore. i can't find a way to get through the days. just sitting here, watching tv or just looking at the boys pictures, sitting in their bedroom clutching their toys. its killing me, and there isnt anything i can do. i keep finding the little notes and letters she left, saying how much she loved me. and how she would never leave me, that we would be together forever and ever. how she trusted me to be faithful, but was so worried and frightened that someone would steal me away from her.

but now this... she accused me of needing someone so bad, but i've survived so many physical injuries all by myself. i only needed her and the boys. i wish that she would have let me die. told them to take me off the life support machines, she knew i didn't want to be on a machine.

[Targan]

Hang in there Nate. Until late last year I didn't give a damn whether I lived or died. I've suffered from pretty severe depression for 20 years. You can rise above. We can all tell you've been strong before, you CAN be strong again.

Remember, you are not alone.

[kato13]

Nate I think depression comes with Genius. It sucks but it seems to match with evidence I have seen. You are immensely talented and the whole world sees it but you may not right now.

There is something in the genius mind that while it can hold on to information and produce wonderful works of art, that also makes it harder to let go of pain. The pain can be enveloping I know that. The pain can cripple you mentally and physically. I hate the fact that my mind can recall with perfect clarity every mistake I have made in my life. But this mind that tortures me so often can also produce wonderful and amazing things.

I think you are a kindred spirit to me and many others here. Many of us have been in a similar place. The hand you have been dealt right now is not one I would wish on anyone, but you are not alone, and there are those of us who care about and really respect you and your talents. Hang in there man and we will be here to listen and help if we can.

[natehale1971]

i just wish that i can stop hurting. i've tried to stop loving Emma. but i can't. i really can't. i might not like her much, but i still love her. especially when i find pictures and letters she wrote me, saying she would never leave. that she wanted us to be happy together. that she loved me for now and forever. i dont know what to do i really dont. i hate being here alone surrounded by all of these things. i sit in the boys room holding the stuffed animals that they didn't take to the UK, i love her so damn much. i dont know what to do. i just want to stop thinking. she promised she wouldn't do this to me. she swore to God she would never do this. but she did.

[kato13]

You can't turn off love. The only way to get rid of it is by passing through pain. I have had many nights where I work and work and work keeping my brain full so I can keep the pain on the very edges of my brain. I often work until I am so tired I can fall asleep without thinking. I hope we can help you find a way to cope until the pain subsides. It will get better.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by kato13

You can't turn off love. The only way to get rid of it is by passing through pain. I have had many nights where I work and work and work keeping my brain full so I can keep the pain on the very edges of my brain. I often work until I am so tired I can fall asleep without thinking. I hope we can help you find a way to cope until the pain subsides. It will get better.

I hope you are right. i really do. i still love her,and just dont understand how she can stop loving me. when she said that she never loved me, that she only married me out of pity.that really hurt.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

I hope you are right. i really do. i still love her,and just dont understand how she can stop loving me. when she said that she never loved me, that she only married me out of pity.that really hurt.

She was lying or trying to convince herself that was the truth. Women say things they don't mean all the time. I'm not saying men don't as well, but women really know how to twist the dagger with words.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by kato13

She was lying or trying to convince herself that was the truth. Women say things they don't mean all the time. I'm not saying men don't as well, but women really know how to twist the dagger with words.

i guess so.. i just, dont understand all this. i just miss my boys so damn bad. this has been killing me. and when i ask her to put herself in my shoes, she says no, that she'll never do that.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

i guess so.. i just, dont understand all this. i just miss my boys so damn bad. this has been killing me. and when i ask her to put herself in my shoes, she says no, that she'll never do that.

While not defending her, I think I do understand what she is doing. (Know thy enemy). She is trying to push you as far away as possible so she can run away from what she has done. I think she is hoping for "out of sight out of mind". She also has to justify to herself keeping your boys away from you. It is totally not fair to you and totally selfish but it has a logic (twisted as it might be).

While you are going to be away from you boys for a while you will always be their father. As has been said before the more she tries to keep them from you the more they will want to be with you.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by kato13

While not defending her, I think I do understand what she is doing. (Know thy enemy). She is trying to push you as far away as possible so she can run away from what she has done. I think she is hoping for "out of sight out of mind". She also has to justify to herself keeping your boys away from you. It is totally not fair to you and totally selfish but it has a logic (twisted as it might be).

While you are going to be away from you boys for a while you will always be their father. As has been said before the more she tries to keep them from you the more they will want to be with you.

I hope so. Jack already knows that i want to be with him, because he was sitting in my lap asking if i was going to get to stay this last time. And when told him i couldn't stay, he nodded his head and said "because of mummy and 'om." i never wanted the boys to hate her. its why i haven't killed myself. i hurt so damn bad. i just wish that things could be like it was before they left for the UK.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by kato13

While not defending her, I think I do understand what she is doing. (Know thy enemy). She is trying to push you as far away as possible so she can run away from what she has done.

That was exactly my assessment too. Saying what she said is clearly a deliberate strategy and I doubt it is the truth.

Originally Posted by kato13

While you are going to be away from you boys for a while you will always be their father. As has been said before the more she tries to keep them from you the more they will want to be with you.

You should listen to Kato, Nate. His are wise words.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

I hope so. Jack already knows that i want to be with him, because he was sitting in my lap asking if i was going to get to stay this last time. And when told him i couldn't stay, he nodded his head and said "because of mummy and 'om." i never wanted the boys to hate her. its why i haven't killed myself. i hurt so damn bad. i just wish that things could be like it was before they left for the UK.

The pain will diminish. There will be real rough patches, but you will hold them again. You just have to endure for now. Remember your boys need you.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Targan

You should listen to Kato, Nate. His are wise words.

As they are originally yours I believe they are extra wise.

[Adm.Lee]

I'm no shrink, but I feel moved to jump in here.

I can only repeat what my Pop told me when my 2nd son lay dying in the hospital: "The pain will never go away, but it will diminish." He was quoting a friend who had lost a daughter.

Seven years later, the pain is largely gone, the memories are not. I trusted in God, and life hasgotten better. I thank God for that, I feel that He had something to do with it.

My situation is not yours, and I am not you, so all I have are suggestions. I can suggest to live through it, and you will find yourself living again. Also, don't try to go through it alone.

{I don't know your opinion on religion, so I will apologize if bringing up my Christianity bothers you; but my faith has been my biggest prop.}

[kato13]

My condolences on your son Adm.Lee.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Adm.Lee

I'm no shrink, but I feel moved to jump in here.

I can only repeat what my Pop told me when my 2nd son lay dying in the hospital: "The pain will never go away, but it will diminish." He was quoting a friend who had lost a daughter.

Seven years later, the pain is largely gone, the memories are not. I trusted in God, and life hasgotten better. I thank God for that, I feel that He had something to do with it.

My situation is not yours, and I am not you, so all I have are suggestions. I can suggest to live through it, and you will find yourself living again. Also, don't try to go through it alone.

{I don't know your opinion on religion, so I will apologize if bringing up my Christianity bothers you; but my faith has been my biggest prop.}

im a christian too... i keep holding onto my faith, because only three things in my life that i have loved haven't thrown me away.. My God, my country and my boys. they are the only ones i have loved that haven't abandoned me. i'm sorry about your boy. it makes me feel so selfish. i'm sorry for what you've lost. i hold onto my faith in God. if you looked at my dog tags you'd see that i have two extra tags, each one has my boys name and birthdate on them. so i can have them as close to my heart as they are. and i have a little chain with a cross, a star of david and star & cresent. all three faiths born of the God of Abraham. i am sorry you lost your little boy.. i don't know how you've survived this loss. everyone tells me that God has something important for me to do since i had survived the wreck and have bounced back from dying three times. i just wish i knew what i am suppose to do. all i have ever wanted was to be a husband and father. it's all i have ever asked him for. pathetic huh? i gave her everything she ever asked for. the boys and i went without so she could have her cigs. but says it just was enough.