Coolest Camo

[natehale1971]

Believe me, I know.

I've been looking for the pattern for years now. I even asked US Cavalry if they had the swatch patch pictures still, and they didn't have them.

Thus I have been tearing through all my old artwork looking for the original drawings to try and find the pictures of the pattern so i can use that, but so far no luck in finding them. it's been a real pain...

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Of course not! It has numbers, and they count down to the time of your death!

why do my fatigues have a 00:01 on them?

[Panther Al]

I picked flecktarn for a number of reasons but they all boil down to personal preferance.

But in all honesty I have to say "other" was my true choice: dark khaki. Call me old school but I feel that for the most part camo isn't needed save for troops in special roles. I've seen many a trooper use camo as a crutch to excuse poor field skills and by and large the various patterns seem to foster an idea that you don't have to try as hard to stay hidden. Dark Khaki (or Flat Dark Earth as the "operator types" (and that's another rant) call it) is a true multi environment colour, it blends well in the desert as well as the green sorts of places. Besides proper design of the uniform itself can lend to one that works well in the field and looks sharper than hell in garrison.

[Lerk]

No mention of the East German Strichtarn?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Panther Al

But in all honesty I have to say "other" was my true choice: dark khaki. Call me old school but I feel that for the most part camo isn't needed save for troops in special roles.

I've heard it said that the perfect camouflage pattern is perfect only only until you move.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I've heard it said that the perfect camouflage pattern is perfect only only until you move.

Very true. I remember my instructors telling us over and over again during basic that "movement attracts the eye".

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Targan

Very true. I remember my instructors telling us over and over again during basic that "movement attracts the eye".

What the hell was that little phrase they taught in regards to personal cam, something like 'the 5 S's and the M" or something like that but I can't remember all the S words (Shape, Shine, Silhouette, Sound, ? and Movement).
Was it even 5 or just those 4? I can't remember. Was it Size perhaps?
Targan, Legbreaker, help me out here!

[TiggerCCW UK]

Assuming it was the same as here in the UK it was;

Shape
Shine
Shadow
Silhouette
Spacing

Movement

Aircraft

Thats the way we were taught anyway.

[Panther Al]

On the subject of "perfect" camo patterns,
Seems that with all the money and time spent by the US Army to bring us the ACU universal good everywhere pattern seems to have not worked out so well.

While they are keeping the uniform style, the army is beginning to issue a new pattern to troops going to Afghanistan- Multicam. So much for only having to keep track of one kind of bdu (at one time I had three woodland styles- fireproof, ripstop, and temperate (my personal fav), choco-chip, and desert 3 colour, which to be fair, was just nuts as we was supposed to have 4 each according to our regimental commander).

[dragoon500ly]

Went to the local mall and looked to make sure that the local hiphop shop was still selling its Pink, White and Grey BDUs. Now then, there are those out there in the forum who are wondering why I even bring up this...but I feel that we are overlooking a critical need for today's military, namely the ability to blend in to the urban club scene and to inflict massive damage on hiphop terrorists!!!

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

Went to the local mall and looked to make sure that the local hiphop shop was still selling its Pink, White and Grey BDUs. Now then, there are those out there in the forum who are wondering why I even bring up this...but I feel that we are overlooking a critical need for today's military, namely the ability to blend in to the urban club scene and to inflict massive damage on hiphop terrorists!!!

ROTFLMAO.... In all seriousness the it may just work in some neighborhoods...lol

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by Panther Al

On the subject of "perfect" camo patterns,
Seems that with all the money and time spent by the US Army to bring us the ACU universal good everywhere pattern seems to have not worked out so well.

While they are keeping the uniform style, the army is beginning to issue a new pattern to troops going to Afghanistan- Multicam. So much for only having to keep track of one kind of bdu (at one time I had three woodland styles- fireproof, ripstop, and temperate (my personal fav), choco-chip, and desert 3 colour, which to be fair, was just nuts as we was supposed to have 4 each according to our regimental commander).

Ripstop-lol. They were nice if you needed a uniform to starch and if you wore out in the field and they rip, it would rip along the seem for a lot further than normally would.

It seemed like every time we went to the field in the Summer someone would get chew for wearing temperate ones out the field for wear the heavy uniform when he should have set of the light ripstop to wear.

4 sets of each huh. That amusing since at during Basic Training we were issued 2 sets of temperate and 2 set of ripstop woodland. The only time we seen desert camo which came in choco-chip then was about a week before we deployed overseas...lol

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by Panther Al

I picked flecktarn for a number of reasons but they all boil down to personal preferance.

But in all honesty I have to say "other" was my true choice: dark khaki. Call me old school but I feel that for the most part camo isn't needed save for troops in special roles. I've seen many a trooper use camo as a crutch to excuse poor field skills and by and large the various patterns seem to foster an idea that you don't have to try as hard to stay hidden. Dark Khaki (or Flat Dark Earth as the "operator types" (and that's another rant) call it) is a true multi environment colour, it blends well in the desert as well as the green sorts of places. Besides proper design of the uniform itself can lend to one that works well in the field and looks sharper than hell in garrison.

It seems Khaki in various shades and the various shade of olive-green worked for long time for the normal troops...

We are forgetting the next most commonly used color of basic Black that some many "operator types" like to say they use too... *Shrug*

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by kota1342000

My vote is for the woodland pattern with a qualifier; the ripstop BDUs, not the cotton ones. When the cotton fades you stick out like a turd in a punchbowl.

Okay granted the cotton would fade, but they lasted a lot longer. Many time a trooper would keep them just to wear while out in the field. They didn't rip out so easily...

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

Ripstop-lol. They were nice if you needed a uniform to starch and if you wore out in the field and they rip, it would rip along the seem for a lot further than normally would.

It seemed like every time we went to the field in the Summer someone would get chew for wearing temperate ones out the field for wear the heavy uniform when he should have set of the light ripstop to wear.

4 sets of each huh. That amusing since at during Basic Training we were issued 2 sets of temperate and 2 set of ripstop woodland. The only time we seen desert camo which came in choco-chip then was about a week before we deployed overseas...lol

Yeah, this was from the regimental commander that wound up relieved due to poor command climate. But to be fair, I couldn't bitch: I was one of those who had to have sharp uniforms, 2 sets of the pricey A's, dress blues and whites. Never did get mess, but I did think long and hard about it.

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by Panther Al

Yeah, this was from the regimental commander that wound up relieved due to poor command climate. But to be fair, I couldn't bitch: I was one of those who had to have sharp uniforms, 2 sets of the pricey A's, dress blues and whites. Never did get mess, but I did think long and hard about it.

Lucky you (I think)!

One set of dress blues and the only mess dress ever seen was when our squadron commander showed up in a set for a squadron dinner. I guess he could be excused, he had just finished two years in the Pentagon; even more surprisingly, he was a damned fine light colonel...didn't play the usual games, which is probably why he was exilied to the border cav!

[pmulcahy11b]

LTC Shimmick, our PMS in ROTC, had mess dress. Looked sharp, but I kept thinkng, "One little drop..."

[Panther Al]

I think the only thing that stopped me from getting mess dress was the talk at the time of a new uniform, balking at the price of having one made for me - I didn't get dress, and one of my "A's" from clothing supply, no not me...- and finally I think it was a little wrong for a staff sergeant having a set of mess dress for honestly, no real reason. Yes, Lowell was my role model.

[pmulcahy11b]

I never even got dress blues, and didn't need them. I had two tailored sets of class As, though -- my shape didn't change the whole time I was in the Army, except in Basic.

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I never even got dress blues, and didn't need them. I had two tailored sets of class As, though -- my shape didn't change the whole time I was in the Army, except in Basic.

Guess it was the thang with the ACRs...Squadron Mess Night, Regimental Mess Night, Change of Command Night...blues or your best set of Class As and there was no shirking, unless you were on duty.

One of the things that always impressed me was the strong sense of tradition that the ACRs kept. You might see photos of the chain of command in a armor battalion, but the ACRs also had photos of every regimental commanding officer...you also heard the colonel being refered to as the 32nd, 33rd or 34th Colonel of the Regiment. Squadron headquarters with its Wall of Honor, listing every battle that the regiment took part in. The names of all of the winners of the Medal of Honor. The regimental birthday. Right on down to the honorable post of Squadron and Regimental Bugler...and when we had a Bierfest with the local German unit, we used to have fun blowing all of the old calls....

The old regiments had a proud sense of tradition, guess that is what brought out the best in us, knowing that the old 2nd Dragoons were looking on...

[Panther Al]

It was the same with the third, a lot of history there that the regiment was very big on. And you ease of life in the regiment was much better the more you knew, probably that's one of the reasons I wound up in good positions, well, that and how I gamed the recruiters to get max bonus, the exact MOS, the exact secondary training, and a pinpoint troop assignment before I would sign up. Evidently the troop heard about it while I was in basic and the word got around. Pretty intimidating to a brand new private showing up to post and hearing, "Oh. You're they guy we was told to look out for. Hang on while I call your sergeant major."

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

Guess it was the thang with the ACRs...Squadron Mess Night, Regimental Mess Night, Change of Command Night...blues or your best set of Class As and there was no shirking, unless you were on duty.

Sounds like a bunch of garritroopers

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Sounds like a bunch of garritroopers

Say it with a smile partner...

How's jump school work? Week one separate the men from the boys, week two the men from the fools, and on the third the fools jump?

We, on the other hand, have along and honoured tradition of being a higher class of professional soldiers.

[Raellus]

Haven't seen this thread in a while. I know it's not in the original T2K timeline (or v2.2, for that matter), but I really like the Multicam-derivative kits that the U.S. and British armies are transitioning to. It looks really sharp and it seems effective in a variety of different environments.

[Tegyrius]

I had to check back through the thread... surprisingly, no one's left this here yet:

http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

As far as patterns not available in the original timeline, I have to give the nod to the Kryptek family.

- C.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I'm sure I have visited that site in the past!
It is a little surprising that it wasn't posted before but thanks Tegyrius for adding it here, I can see I'll be spending a lot of time on a particular site in the next few days...

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by Raellus

I like the current Aussie camo. It kind of looks like the leopard spot camo that some U.S. Marine Corps (and SEAL and GB) units wore in the '40s-early '60s, but much more subtle (and, I should imagine, more effective).

I didn't include it in the poll since you probably wouldn't see it in the ETO and I had to set a limit somewhere- otherwise, there'd be dozens of poll choices.

Called the "Duck Hunter", as it was sold post war to said hunters, it was designed by a horticulturalist.

[LT. Ox]

But where is the "tiger stripe"?
er and yes I did have some.

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by LT. Ox

But where is the "tiger stripe"?
er and yes I did have some.

Tiger Stripe with the lighter green is good with brush and young leafy trees, the darker stuff is good around cedar. I like the older two early woodland stuff depending on the area. Found out from Viet era friends Woodland had three generations of patterns.

[Rockwolf66]

Ive found a Youtube channel that demonstrates various camouflage patterns It's actually rather interesting how well or badly some of the patterns work.


Camouflage videos