Favorite Shotgun

[simonmark6]

That would work too...

[HorseSoldier]

Indeed.

The one thing I really like about any manner of shotgun loading besides manually is that one could get beyond the "shoot two, load two" manual of arms. Had to do enough of that while moving to cover and such in the police academy that, while I can run an 870 really well, I hate pump shotguns on an instinctive level . . .

[jester]

As for fav shotguns:

I just picked up a Benelli a police trade in, I have fired one a few times at the range and a scout had one when I was their primary weapons guru for their merit badge. The shotgun was 12 gauge, it was the short home defense version, this thing was still almost bigger than the kid using it.

A sweet system! And honestly it is the only semi auto shotty I have used in earnest, and would endorse as one I would carry in harms way. I have fired the SPAS, but it was so long ago, I just don't remember. A good system but that is all I remember.

Although for game purposes, the idea of a character having a Browning auto is a tempting idea for a characters primary personal weapon. After all a shotty is much better at close range than a pistol and much more forgiving when it comes to pressure shooting and aim or lack of aim

PS Paul, you can petition to have the restriction overturned so you can utilize hardware again.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by jester

PS Paul, you can petition to have the restriction overturned so you can utilize hardware again.

It's probably best I don't. I can get pretty damn depressed sometimes.

[jester]

You and me both mi amigo, I just pulled check this out, added all up a disability rating of 230%!

Remember, just take it one day at a time. Its worked with everything for me from smoking to drinking....to other things.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by jester

You and me both mi amigo, I just pulled check this out, added all up a disability rating of 230%!

Got me beat, my disability rating only adds up to 125%. (Unfortunately, they only pay me 100%). However, if the bill passes, I may be eligible for CDRP next year -- the VA rates me at 125%, but the Army rates me at 50%, and an extra $500-700 per month would be quite nice. Unfortunately, the bill has has a low chance of passing...

[jester]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Got me beat, my disability rating only adds up to 125%. (Unfortunately, they only pay me 100%). However, if the bill passes, I may be eligible for CDRP next year -- the VA rates me at 125%, but the Army rates me at 50%, and an extra $500-700 per month would be quite nice. Unfortunately, the bill has has a low chance of passing...

You gotta be shitting me!

They gave me like I said all the percentages added up to something insane, but I am paid at 90% because I can and do work.

Here is one, your mom lives with you, have you included that, since they do pay extra for taking care of spouses and family members to include parents.

I gave you my info when I was married and lived in Long Beach, back in 05. If you want, I can shoot you a call and give you some info. I until last week was a Vet Rep So, I kinda know the game and the rules.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by jester

You gotta be shitting me!

They gave me like I said all the percentages added up to something insane, but I am paid at 90% because I can and do work.

Here is one, your mom lives with you, have you included that, since they do pay extra for taking care of spouses and family members to include parents.

They bumped me up 50% and rated me unemployable at the time at the time due to the effects of psychiatric medication alone. Antipsychotics, especially the heavy dose I take, tend to make you into a zombie; I'm awake maybe 6-8 hours a day and truly alert about four. Meds like Nuvigil and Provigil can keep me awake and alert much longer, but long-term use (two weeks every day or more) causes them to knock out my antipsychotics -- and you don't want to be wide awake and alert and psychotic. So I only take them as needed, like when I need to get my mother or myself to an early appointment. And believe me, you don't want me off my antipsychotics! I was working before that point, but I kept falling asleep on the job and I'm surprised I never had an accident from falling asleep at the wheel.

As for my mother -- well, I told her that she could divorce my stepmonster at any time, probably take him to the cleaners due to his history with the family, and I could take her as a dependent and still get her Tricare. I checked on that. For whatever reason, she won't dump him, even though they are separated and she has no intention of ever going back to him. (And I've already told him that he's not welcome on my property -- "don't even pull into the driveway.") But for whatever reason, she stays married to him. Beats me. Oh well. He's a nursing home wreck now anyway, and my brother has power of attorney over his finances, so we'll never have any problems with him again. And I don't want him to die, strangely enough; I want him to live and suffer.

Pity party over.

[JimmyRay73]

I've always had a soft spot for the big 3 pump guns: various Winchesters (old model 12, 1300 Defender, etc), Remington 870 (3" Magnum rifled slugs fired as fast as possible through an 870 Wingmaster is great percussive therapy...), and the Mossberg 500/590 series. Forced to choose i went with the Mossberg because its a happy medium. No matter what I'm feeding it, no matter what joint is sore or which arm is dominant due to any given day's injury listing the Mossy is easy to adapt to. If I'm not close to medical care or even if I slept on my arm in an awkward position on top of a tree root I want the Mossberg so I can still kill stuff easily with my off hand on the trigger and a numb arm working the pump.

[Legbreaker]

Paul, I was trawling your site (as usual) and came across this little gem under shotgun ammo:

The 20-Gauge round once indirectly saved the life of a sergeant I had when I was in the Army. His wife was trying to kill him, and was trying to load 20-gauge shells into 12-gauge bird gun…he was able to get out of the house and call the police.

I sooooo want to know more about this, particularly just what in hell had he done!?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Paul, I was trawling your site (as usual) and came across this little gem under shotgun ammo:

I sooooo want to know more about this, particularly just what in hell had he done!?

I don't know many of the details, but the one time I met SGT Rozar's wife, she seemed to me to be a bit high-strung, and he was always talking about marital difficulties.

[Legbreaker]

She sounds a bit like my ex-wife and all he'd have needed to do to piss her off is breath...

[HorseSoldier]

E-7 I worked with at one point had the experience of having taught his wife to shoot a double action revolver for self-defense. Sometime later, during an argument, she grabbed his High Power (condition 1) and proceeded to level it at him and pull the trigger. Luckily, the DA revolver she had learned to shoot had no external safety in the mix, so despite pulling the trigger more than once there was no boom before he was able to wrestle it away from her.

[Rockwolf66]

Unfortunatly for me my girlfriends like sharp and pointy things better than they do guns. I say unfortunatly as at least one can shoot better while drunk and in high heals than alot of urban guys can sober...And they train more to use those sharp and pointy things.


As far as my favorite shotgun goes I've shot mostly mossbergs since i was a young teenager.

[bobcat]

for shotties i gotta say the saiga. never had a problem with mine (cept the price of mags). of course i also made sure to get the gas tube fixed when i bought it.

[Badbru]

Originally Posted by sglancy12

I'm going to have to go with the Winchester M1897 Trench gun.

Five round tubular magazine with one in the chamber for six.

Pump shotgun, with an exposed hammer, so you can carry a round in the chamber and easily see whether the weapon is cocked, hence whether the weapon is safe.

Allegedly you can hold the trigger down and work the slide to fire very very fast (but with little accuracy).

You can attach a bayonet, specifically the M1905 Bayonet, which is a good long pig sticker for those times you blunder into someone in the dark.

It has a magazine release button on it that allows the entire tubular magazine to be emptied in the blink of an eye. A safety feature oddly absent on all modern shotguns. The only way to unload tube magazine shotguns is by manually working the slide or action, which can result in an accidently discharge if you are the village idiot... or just unlucky.

Absolutely concurr with this assessment for all those reasons, plus one;

I also think it looks cool.

[Brother in Arms]

BADBRU

Written by Sglancy12

in regards to the model 1897 winchester

"It has a magazine release button on it that allows the entire tubular magazine to be emptied in the blink of an eye. A safety feature oddly absent on all modern shotguns. The only way to unload tube magazine shotguns is by manually working the slide or action, which can result in an accidentally discharge if you are the village idiot... or just unlucky."

Something many people don't know....In most modern shotguns if you depress the shell stop with your finger (little arm inside of the reciever that hold the shell in the tube) it will spit out one live round at a time. I have had to do with many many times with the remington 870 when the action's got stuck shut but there were still lives rounds in the chamber.

Brother in Arms

[Raellus]

My Mossberg 500 has the same feature. It's definitely a safer way to empty the mag- no chance of accidentally discharge and it's easier on the shells too.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Owen E Oulton

I had to vote Other... The Atchisson AA12 Assault Shotgun seems to be the ultimate shotgun to me. I mean take an oversized M-16which fires 12 ga. full auto from a 20 round drum! Nasty, nasty, nasty. I've been a fan ever since I saw it in 1st ed. TMP. I just worked out T2K stats for it last night...

Doing some serious Thread Necro, but I was flipping through the you tubes, and for laughs I watched FPSRussia's channel, and saw this:

AA12

[Brother in Arms]

AA12 is a really cool firearm I. I think the original Blowback version from the 70's is truly exiting though!

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/usa/atchisson-aa-12-e.html

And I wasn't meaning to reserect such an old thread but I wanted people to know that you didn't have to cycle all the rounds through a pump shotgun to unload one.

Brother In Arms

[stg58fal]

I dislike shotguns. They are useful for only a few, rather specialized things (intimidation and master key). Generally something else will serve the same purpose much better.

That being said, I really like my Saiga-12.

[Raellus]

I'd say they're pretty handy for CQB too.

[Brother in Arms]

Like anything they have there uses...But most of the time Id rather have a rifle.

[waiting4something]

Shotguns biggest problem is they have really not had much advancement since the 1897 Winchester. Rifle and even pistol advancement has been a bit more progressive.

[Jason]

Originally Posted by stg58fal

I dislike shotguns. They are useful for only a few, rather specialized things (intimidation and master key). Generally something else will serve the same purpose much better.

That being said, I really like my Saiga-12.

Let's not forget they are pretty good at taking fowl.

[Brother in Arms]

waiting

there has been lots of great developments but none really ever caught on. I think mainly because of the design of the shotshell itself....it's heavy, bulk, rimmed and is also semi flexible and can potentially deform or swell. Also they vary in pressure depending on payload of the round which can really affect semi auto or full auto function. Also ultimately its always been a back burner weapon for the military.

Here are some interesting designs:

SOF (MIWS)
Swatriplex 18
Striker 12
MAG-7
SPAS-15
Pancor Jack Hammer
AA-12
Neostead
SAIGA-12

Of course newer Kel tec KSG and UTAS 12 (but these are more or less copies of earlier designs but took 30 years to finally catch on)

[waiting4something]

I know what your saying Brother. There have been other styles of shotguns made outside the tubular feed models, but they are never really that much of a improvement. The Vepr 12 looks like the best thing that has come out in awhile, but that is no Twilight 2000 weapon. Your right, I think the fact that we are still using the same 12 gauge ammo that we have been using for over 100 years is a big part of this problem. It'd be like trying to design every rifle around a .45-70 round. The CAWS program ventured into using different sized cartridges and I think that was about as far as it went.

[Brother in Arms]

I have always been impressed by the full length brass cases developed for the CAWS by Olin. The Russians also have used full length steel cases.

One of the reasons the CAWS failed was the flechette rounds didn't properly stabilize.They have been trying to develop a flechette launching firearm for a long time.

Shot shells and there construction have come a long way even since the 1980's but the real problem is the sheer size of the cartridge. I think if they used modern sabots and maybe rifled bore they might be able to achieve more.

Perhaps the 3 1/2 shells will come to prominence in the future. But I think shotguns in general will always be hampered.


Brother in Arms

[Olefin]

my fave is the one I carried in the game as well as have in real life

My great grandfather's double barrel 10 gauge lupara

Very very reliable - and no matter what you are wearing for body armor if both barrels hit you, you arent going to be standing

(and yes it kicks like an sob if you pull both barrels)

Basically the ultimate close combat weapon - nothing says "goodbye Ivan" after you kick the door in better than that - except maybe a grenade (regular or for those into Call of Duty the rocket propelled variety)

biggest problem in the game was finding ammo - basically had to get my empties reloaded - managed to find a small amount of shells in Krakow that were new but otherwise no luck

[Rockwolf66]

Someone call General Pain,


http://victran.tumblr.com/post/73871...-aces-tactical

It seems that Real life is trying to out munchkin him with an 18" long shotgun that feeds from Saiga 12 magazines.