OT - Conspiracy Theories.... I love the imagination!

[waiting4something]

Weren't the Germans supposed to have built some type of flying saucer type craft back in World War 2?

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Why I think the moon landing was fake is because we in a race with the Soviets both on the ground and space. Us landing on the moon would make it appear that the U.S.A. was much farther ahead of the Soviets. How do you go from just being able to orbit the earth a few years earlier to landing a craft on a rock surface in space like the moon that quickly? Why have we only done this once?
It seem like a better challege then just sending our guys up there to orbit around the Earth like we have been doing ever since. It was ironic how our plans to do this again in 2010 got scrapped. I'm guessing they hoped to do this for the first time then, but then figuired they weren't really ready yet. With the world convinced that they have already done this, why risk looking like a liers now if something bad happened.

I always thought the technology we would need to go to the Moon, except for rockets with sufficient thrust, was around by the 1930's. You basically needed a sealed container with a life support system along with carrying enough oxygen and/or even an air recycling system. Most likely you would use batteries for power. Radio, we were just starting to experiment with UHF. Space suits, the aeronauts who went to 70,000 feet plus had suits where with some modifications, be able to be used on the Moon. As to food and water, I'm sure you can pack food that will not be messy.

I do believe we did go to the Moon, you just needed the will and the money plus with the added rocket technology from World War II and the refinement on it, going to the Moon was accomplished.

Getting back to my original ideas, the theories were worked out a long time ago, it just took the will and money to test and bring them about.

I think the reason why many people believe the Moon trip was a hoax is, one an entire generation of adults are alive who never saw a Moon landing on TV. I'll be 44 in July and I remember watching Apollo 11 even though I was 3 at the time. Two, most of that same generation grew up with computers, CD's, DVD's to an extent and so on, they ask, "how can the technology of the 1960's do such a thing," it would seem so ancient to them. We could go the Moon now but we don't have the will and money.

Chuck

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by weswood

My theory on aliens is that they aren't from outer space....they're from underground. All the UFO sightings are just drones to draw attention away from the truth.

That's sort of like the old 1940's theory about a race of underground dwellers called the "Deros." Some say they were descended from the people of Atlantis and Lemuria and in the areas around the world where the live underground, people have claimed to have heard hums like the "Bristol Hum" or "Taos Hum." The hum sounds like a distant diesel engine running and one theory is that it is the machinery the Deros are using.

Chuck

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Weren't the Germans supposed to have built some type of flying saucer type craft back in World War 2?

The old Haunebu series. Some say that when the Germans were losing, they took them to the Antarctic and went underground to wait things out until there is the time to come out and build a 4th Reich.

Chuck

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I read a story in my early teens -- can't remember the author or name of it. In that story, it turned out that the "aliens" were us. Those "aliens" were in fact our descendants, tens of thousands of years from now, and they periodically travel back in time to study their ancestors, and to ensure that historical events unfold in such a way to ensure their existence.

Quite frankly, the possible paradoxes that come with time travel boggle my mind. But I think that time travel is the one technology that absolutely, under no circumstances whatsoever, that humans should ever be allowed to develop. Think of the crap we've pulled with technology so far -- the human race isn't responsible enough to possess time travel. The amount of wisdom you'd need to have to not produce any paradoxes with time travel is probably impossible for any race in the universe to possess. And it's virtually certain that time travel would be misused by mankind -- we've pretty much misused every other technology we've come up with in some way or another.

My own take is that there are no paradoxes in time travel, I see it more like an 8-Track tape than the one string that some believe. If I go back in time and kill my grandfather before he fathered my mother, I would still exist but at that point in time, like hitting the channel button to an 8-Track tape player (jumping from Program 1 to Program 2), I would create a point of divergence where a separate timeline is created. Perhaps I would unleash some "butterflies" and history could be different a little bit or a lot, who knows? I would still exist but I would be like a "man without a country," a person from one timeline who jumped to another.

Now instead of 4 programs on the 8-Track, remember they were stereo, you have an infinite set of programs out there and what you do might create more. I think time travel incorporates some "sliding" (like in the TV show "Sliders") as well.

I think a good illustration is the Christmas movie, "It's a Wonderful Life" where George was taken to a timeline where he wasn't born, yet he existed. Of course, in that case, divine intervention was used instead of science as a vehicle, but it is a good example of my idea.

Chuck

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man 1966

I think the reason why many people believe the Moon trip was a hoax is, one an entire generation of adults are alive who never saw a Moon landing on TV. I'll be 44 in July and I remember watching Apollo 11 even though I was 3 at the time. Two, most of that same generation grew up with computers, CD's, DVD's to an extent and so on, they ask, "how can the technology of the 1960's do such a thing," it would seem so ancient to them. We could go the Moon now but we don't have the will and money.

Chuck

I just turned 48 today -- I used to watch every space mission closely. I can remember all the way back to watching the Gemini 12 mission when I was 4 years old.

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I just turned 48 today -- I used to watch every space mission closely. I can remember all the way back to watching the Gemini 12 mission when I was 4 years old.

Happy Birthday!!!! I don't remember much before Apollo, but I have always been fascinated by space. BTW, I think the last Gemini mission flew when I was 5 months old.

Chuck

[Targan]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I just turned 48 today -- I used to watch every space mission closely. I can remember all the way back to watching the Gemini 12 mission when I was 4 years old.

Happy birthday Paul!!!

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man 1966

The old Haunebu series. Some say that when the Germans were losing, they took them to the Antarctic and went underground to wait things out until there is the time to come out and build a 4th Reich.

Chuck

They didn't stay in Antartica, they left some time in 1945 and in 2018 they'll be back... Iron Sky http://www.ironsky.net/site/



Spoiler Warning


Iron Sky is a humorous sci-fi movie made by a Finnish-German group involving a Nazi moonbase and flying saucers. It's due for release in 2011.

[TiggerCCW UK]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I just turned 48 today -- I used to watch every space mission closely. I can remember all the way back to watching the Gemini 12 mission when I was 4 years old.

Happy birthday!!

[Webstral]

Happy birthday, Paul, and many more!

Webstral

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

They didn't stay in Antartica, they left some time in 1945 and in 2018 they'll be back... Iron Sky http://www.ironsky.net/site/



Spoiler Warning


Iron Sky is a humorous sci-fi movie made by a Finnish-German group involving a Nazi moonbase and flying saucers. It's due for release in 2011.

This looks like huge fun! Thanks for turning me on to it, because I've now discovered a treasure trove of similar such fun on You Tube. I should be doing my school work and finding recipes for my son's semi-big person diet. But I can't help myself.

Webstral

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Webstral

Happy birthday, Paul, and many more!

Webstral

I'm getting older and fatter! Please no more!

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I'm getting older and fatter! Please no more!

Don't I hear that. My wife keeps washing my pants wrong, and they're all shrinking.

Webstral

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Webstral

Don't I hear that. My wife keeps washing my pants wrong, and they're all shrinking.

Webstral

That reminds me of that episode of MASH where all of Frank's clothes kept getting smaller and smaller. It was driving him nuts. After one time where none of his clothes fit, he ran out of the Swamp (which is what they called their tent), and Trapper looks at Hawkeye, and says, "What do we do next?" Hawkeye says "I think we'll make him taller." It turns out they'd been secretly taking his clothes to a Korean village nearby where they found a seamstress willing to go in with the joke.

[waiting4something]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

They didn't stay in Antartica, they left some time in 1945 and in 2018 they'll be back... Iron Sky http://www.ironsky.net/site/



Spoiler Warning


Iron Sky is a humorous sci-fi movie made by a Finnish-German group involving a Nazi moonbase and flying saucers. It's due for release in 2011.

This looks bad ass!

[waiting4something]

It was rumored that the Nazi's where building a secret base in Antarctica, but was later destroyed by some U.S. Navy Admiral and his expedition force sent there. That would make a great science fiction movie in it's self.

[pmulcahy11b]

Want to have fun? Type "conspiracy theory" into Google and see what comes out!

[Raellus]

I took a few physical anthropology courses on my way to a bachelor's in archaeology and I really would like to believe there's a pocket of primitive hominids hanging out in the Pacific Northwest of the U.S./Canada, the Himalayas, and/or the jungles of southeast Asia.

Unfortunately, based on the complete lack of hard evidence, I highly doubt any such populations exist. No physical remains have been found by hunters, hikers, loggers, explorers, etc. With the world shrinking as fast as it is (habitat loss, suburban sprawl, human population explosion, cel-phone video, global media, etc.), it would be incredibly difficult for any such group of Sasquatches (or whatever) to remain hidden and isolated.

Secondly, if such a small, isolated population existed, a phenomenon sometimes called genetic bottlenecking would be taking place. With a relatively small, closely related genepool, these creatures would be suffering from all kinds of genetic disorders and maladies that would further hinder their survivability.

The same thing could be said of other mythical creatures like the Loch Ness monster, the Chupacabra, etc.

Lastly, most, if not all, of the purported "evidence" of these creatures (at least in the U.S.) has been exposed as bogus. Most of it is the work of good-natured pranksters and/or folks hoping to prosper from their "discoveries".

It would be cool if there were a few peaceful and nature loving hominids out there in the woods somewhere, untouched by time and unsullied by human excesses. Unfortunately, I think this is more wishful thinking and conspiracy theory than anything else. I hope I'm wrong.

[jester]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

That reminds me of that episode of MASH where all of Frank's clothes kept getting smaller and smaller. It was driving him nuts. After one time where none of his clothes fit, he ran out of the Swamp (which is what they called their tent), and Trapper looks at Hawkeye, and says, "What do we do next?" Hawkeye says "I think we'll make him taller." It turns out they'd been secretly taking his clothes to a Korean village nearby where they found a seamstress willing to go in with the joke.

Paul! You are wrong! Now go to your room and watch your MASH! It was Charles they were messing with.

[Abbott Shaull]

Actually that was the great thing with having Frank Burns and Charles Winchester. Hawkeye and crew could pull the similar events with slightly different twist in several seasons and no will notice...lol