The Nationstates of Terran Explored Space

[natehale1971]

1st Tier (Major Interstellar National powers)

Third French Empire (formerly the French Republic and French Union)
Imperial Republic of Manchuria

2nd Tier (Interstellar National powers)

German Federal Republic (head of German Customs Union)
United States of America (inculdes several new Caribbean states)
Federal Republic of Australia (New Zealand, Cook Islands, Niue)
United Kingdom of the British Isles (England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Isle of Man, Bailiwick of Guernsey, Bailiwick of Jersey)
Imperial Republic of Japan (Korea, Taiwan, Philippines)

3rd Tier (Major Stellar National powers w/limited interstellar assets)

Cossack Commonwealth of Ukraine-Transcaucuss (Ukrainian Republic)
Union of Sovereign Northern Republics (Russian Federation)
Confederation of Canton-Myanmar (Southern China and Burma)
Argentine Republic
Polish Republic (includes Lithuania and the eastern half of Belarus)
Scandinavian Bloc (the United Kingdom of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Greenland, Iceland, Finland, and Estonia)
Republic of Azania (British Commonwealth South African state, includes Botswana)
Free State of Transvaal-Natal (British Commonwealth South East African state)
United Mexican Republics
Bolivarian Republic of Greater Columbia
United Arabic Republics (Egypt, Libya, Saudi Arabia and the Northern Sudanese states of Kurdufan, Kassala, Khartoum & Darfur)
Commonwealth of Canada (British Commonwealth of Nations)
Argentine Republic

4th Tier (Stellar National powers & Independent colonies)

Federal Republic of Bohemia-Markova
Federal Republic of Austria-Slovenia
Hungarian Republic
Kingdom of Romania
Kingdom of Bulgaria
Trans-Jordanian Commonwealth (composed of the State of Israel, State of Palestine, State of Jordan, State of Lebanon)
Indonesian Republics
Republic of Singapore
Kingdom of Thailand
Republic of Tuscany (Northern Italian peninsula)
Italian Republic (Southern Italian peninsula & Sicily)
Kingdom of the Netherlands (includes former German community of Belgium)
Republic of Flanders (former Flemish community of Belgium)
Kingdom of Alsace-Lorraine (includes Luxembourg, Alsace & Lorraine)
Kingdom of Spain
Islamic Republic of Iran
Federative Republic of Brazil

Terran nationstates with an extensive network of special administrative districts that are throughout Terran Explored Space.

Swiss Confederation (Central Europe)
Papal States / Vatican (Central Italian peninsula)

5th Tier (Earthbound National powers)

Latvian Republic (Baltic state)
Portuguese Republic (European Iberian peninsula)
Republic of Catalina (European Iberian peninsula)
Kingdom of Macedonia (Balkan state)
Principality of Montenegro (Balkan state)
Albanian Peoples Socialist Republic (Balkan state)
Republic of Serbia (Balkan state)
Republic of Croatia (Balkan state)
Federal Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina (Balkan state)
Turkish Republic (Balkan state)
Hellenic Republic (Balkan state)
Most Serene Republic of San Marino (Italian peninsula state)
Free and Hanesatic City of Königsberg (German Customs Union Baltic state)
Principality of Andorra (Third French Empire / French Union West European state)
Principality of Monaco (Third French Empire / French Union Mediterranean state)
Principality of Liechtenstein (German Customs Union Central European state)
Kingdom of Transylvania (Balkan Hungarian client state)
Republic of Moldavia / Moldavian Democratic Republic (Ukrainian client state)
Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic / Transnistria / Transdniestria (Ukrainian client state)
Republic of Kosovo (Balkan Macedonian client state)
Malta / Maltese Republic (British Commonwealth Mediterranean island state)
Gibraltar (Iberian British Overseas Territory)
Cyprus (Mediterranean British Overseas Territory)

Mongolian Republic (Manchurian Central Asian client state)
Protectorate of Tibet (Manchurian protectorate)
Chinese Republic (Central China)

Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (Southwest Asia state)
Baluchistan / Baluchi Republic (Southwest Asia state)

Federal Republic of Pampas (South American Argentine client state)
(South American Scandinavian Bloc client state)

Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (North West African state)
Tunisian Republic (North African Mediterranean state)
Namibia (German Customs Union South West African state)
Kingdom of Morocco (North Western African state)
Republic of Mozambique (Portuguese South East African State)
Republic of Angola (Portuguese South West African state)
Malaysian Federation (British Commonwealth South East Asian island state)
Republic of Malawi (British Commonwealth South East African state)
Republic of Madagascar (Third French Empire / French Union member off the east coast of Africa)
Republic of Burkina Faso (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Republic of Burundi (Third French Empire / French Union Central East African state)
Republic of Cameroon (British Commonwealth West African state)
Republic of Cameroun (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Republic of Cape Verde (Portuguese island state of the western coast of Africa)
Republic of Chad (Third French Empire / French Union Central African state)
Central African Republic (Third French Empire / French Union Central African state)
Union of the Comoros (Third French Empire / French Union African state)
Republic of Congo (Third French Empire / French Union West Central African state)
Cote d’Ivoire (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Republic of Zambia (British Commonwealth South Central African state)
Republic of Zimbabwe (British Commonwealth South Central African state)
Republic of Uganda (British Commonwealth East African state)
United Republic of Tanzania (British Commonwealth East African state)
Togolese Republic (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Kingdom of Swaziland (British Commonwealth South African state)
Republic of Equatoria / Southern Sudan (North East African state)
Republic of Seychelles (Third French Empire / French Union island state off the coast of East Africa)
Republic of Senegal (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Democratic Republic of Sao Tome and Principe (Portuguese island state off the West African coast)
Federal Republic of Nigeria (British Commonwealth West African State)
Republic of Niger (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Kingdom of Lesotho (Azanian South African client state)
Liberian Union (West African state formed out of the union of Sierra Leone & Liberia)
Republic of Mali (Third French Empire / French Union North West African state)
Islamic Republic of Mauritania (North West African state)
Republic of Guinea-Bissau (Portuguese West African state)
Republic of Guinea (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Republic of Ghana (British Commonwealth West African state)
Ethiopian Royal State (North East African state)
Somali Republic (North East African client state of Tuscany)
Gabonese Republic (Third French Empire / French Union West African state)
Republic of Gambia (British Commonwealth West African state)
Republic of Kenya (British Commonwealth East African state)
Republic of Rwanda (French Union Central East African state)
State of Eritrea (North East African state)
State of Djibouti (French Union East African state)
Democratic Republic of Congo / Zaire (Central African State)
Departmental Collectivity of Mayotte (French Overseas Department of the Third French Empire on the East African Coast of the Indian Ocean)
Department of Réunion (French Overseas Department of the Third French Empire on the East African Coast of the Indian Ocean)

Islamic Republic of Pakistan (British Commonwealth Indian state)
Republic of New Delhi (British Commonwealth Indian state)
Republic of Kashmir (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Bengal (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Bangladesh (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Bihar (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Assam (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Punjab (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Arunachal Pradesh (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Meghalaya (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Manipur (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Mizoram (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Nagaland (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Republic of Tripura (British Commonwealth Indian State)
British Indian Ocean Territory (Indian Ocean British Overseas Territory)
Republic of Maldives (British Commonwealth Indian Ocean island state)
Kingdom of Nepal (British Commonwealth Indian State)
Kingdom of Bhutan (British Commonwealth Indian state)

Kyrgyzstan / Kyrgyz Republic (Russian Central Asian client state)
Tajikistan / Tajik Republic (Russian Central Asian client state)
Turkmenistan / Turkmen Republic (Russian Central Asian client state)
Kazakhstan / Kazakh Republic (Russian Central Asian client state)
Uzbekistan / Uzbek Republic (Russian Central Asian client state)

French Guiana (South American Department of the French Ninth Republic)
Republic of Guyana (British Commonwealth South American state)
Republic of Suriname (Dutch Union South American state)
South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (South Atlantic British Overseas Territory)
Saint Helena (South Atlantic British Overseas Territory)
Falkland Islands (South Atlantic British Overseas Territory)
Ascension Island (South Atlantic British Overseas Territory)
Tristan da Cunha (South Atlantic British Overseas Territory)

Antigua and Barbuda (British Commonwealth Caribbean island state)
Barbados (British Commonwealth Caribbean island state)
Grenada (British Commonwealth Caribbean state)
Saint Vincent and Grenadines (Caribbean British Overseas Territory)
Saint Lucia (French Union Caribbean island state)
Anguilla (Caribbean British Overseas Territory)
Montserrat (Caribbean British Overseas Territory)
Turks and Caicos Islands (Caribbean British Overseas Territory)
Bermuda (Caribbean British Overseas Territory)
British Virgin Islands (Caribbean British Overseas Territory)
Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis (British Commonwealth Caribbean island state)
Republic of Trinidad and Tobago (British Commonwealth Caribbean island state)
French Department of Guadeloupe (Caribbean French Overseas Department of the French Ninth Republic)
French Department of Martinique (Caribbean French Overseas Department of the French Ninth Republic)
French Department of Dominique (Caribbean French Overseas Department of the French Ninth Republic)
Cayman Islands (Caribbean British Overseas Territory)

Syrian Arab Republic (Southwest Asia)
Republic of Kurdistan (Southwest Asia)
Republic of Georgia (Southwest Asia Ukrainian client state)
Republic of Armenia (Southwest Asia Ukrainian client state)
Republic of Azerbaijan (Southwest Asia Ukrainian client state)
Republic of Iraq (Southwest Asia Persian Gulf state)
Emirate of Kuwait (Southwest Asia Persian Gulf state)
Kingdom of Bahrain (Southwest Asia Persian Gulf state)
Emirate of Qatar (Southwest Asia Persian Gulf state)

State of Brunei Darussalam (British Commonwealth Malaysian state)
Republic of the Fiji Islands (British Commonwealth South Pacific state)
Republic of the Marshall Islands (Micronesian island state)
Republic of Nauru (Micronesian South Pacific island state)
Republic of Palau (Pacific island Japanese client state)
Kingdom of Tonga (South Pacific island state)
Samoa (South Pacific island state)
Republic of Vanuatu (French Union South Pacific island state)
Republic of Kiribati (British Commonwealth South Pacific Island state)
Tuvalu (British Commonwealth South Pacific island state)
Pitcairn Isles (South Pacific British Overseas Territory)
American Samoa (American South Pacific island)
Guam (American South Pacific island)
Northern Mariana Islands (American South Pacific islands)

Solomon Islands (Melanesian island state)

Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (Southeast Asian island state)
Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste (Southeast Asian island state)
Lao Peoples Republic (South East Asian state)
Kingdom of Cambodia / Kampuchea / Khmer People (South East Asian state)
Vietnamese Peoples Republic (South East Asian state)
Montagnard Confederation (South East Asian state)

Papua New Guinea (Australian client state)
Queen Maud Land (Antarctic Scandinavian Overseas Territory)
Peter I Island (Antarctic Scandinavian Overseas Territory)
Adelie Land (Antarctic French Overseas Department)
Ross Dependency (Antarctic Australian Overseas Territory)
Australian Antarctic Territory (Antarctic Australian Overseas Territory)
British Antarctic Territory (Antarctic British Overseas Territory)
Argentine Antarctica (Argentine Antarctic Territory)
Argentine Magallanes and Antártica Region (Argentine Antarctic Territory)
(German Antarctic Territory)
(Antarctica)

[helbent4]

Nate,

As a point of terminology, Canada's formal name is the "Dominion of Canada", although Canada is acceptable in formal use, too. Canada has never been called a "Commonwealth", although it is technically a confederation. (That is, the birth of Canada is called "Confederation".)

I think we should be a 2nd Tier nation, dad-gummit!

Tony

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by helbent4

Nate,

As a point of terminology, Canada's formal name is the "Dominion of Canada", although Canada is acceptable in formal use, too. Canada has never been called a "Commonwealth", although it is technically a confederation. (That is, the birth of Canada is called "Confederation".)

I think we should be a 2nd Tier nation, dad-gummit!

Tony

I know Tony, i went with Commonwealth of Canada since it's several hundred years (and post Twilight War) some things have changed. Canada became a commonwealth instead of a 'Dominion'... this is how they got Quebec back into the government. While the British Monarchy is still the head of state, Canada has a lot more republican style of government (a popular election of the Governor General from candidates nominated by the Monarchy). Post-Twilight War the British Monarchy has shifted away from just being ceremonial and figureheads... they have seen a resurgence of their power. From birth the Royals are raised in a manner stepped in public service and putting the needs of the average citizen above their own (something VERY few know about is the British Monarchy has their children spend a year as 'commoners' with families selected from a special lottery).

[Targan]

While I think that it is perfectly reasonable to have New Zealand join Australia in some kind of federation I have to point out that

a) New Zealand would not accept that new nation formed from both Australia and New Zealand being named "Australia" (Australasia or Oceania would probably be acceptable) even if it is 300 years from now; New Zealand is a very proud nation and under the Treaty of Waitangi the indigenous Maori people have special rights so neither the white (Pakeha) nor Maori sections of the population would accept being absorbed directly into Australia.

b) If Canada is still a constitutional monarchy in T2300 Australia would probably be too (especially if New Zealand was part of an Australasian Federation) as NZ is fiercely monarchist.

Obviously you can take or leave my opinions on these matters but as a citizen of both Australia and New Zealand I feel I'm qualified to offer an opinion

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Targan

While I think that it is perfectly reasonable to have New Zealand join Australia in some kind of federation I have to point out that

a) New Zealand would not accept that new nation formed from both Australia and New Zealand being named "Australia" (Australasia or Oceania would probably be acceptable) even if it is 300 years from now; New Zealand is a very proud nation and under the Treaty of Waitangi the indigenous Maori people have special rights so neither the white (Pakeha) nor Maori sections of the population would accept being absorbed directly into Australia.

b) If Canada is still a constitutional monarchy in T2300 Australia would probably be too (especially if New Zealand was part of an Australasian Federation) as NZ is fiercely monarchist.

Obviously you can take or leave my opinions on these matters but as a citizen of both Australia and New Zealand I feel I'm qualified to offer an opinion

Thanks Targan...

Australia and New Zealand are monarchist... just not with the British Monarchy as head of state. they have their own! During the Twilight War, and the war of British Reunification that saw a decidedly anti-monarchist Labor Party Prime Minister damn near exterminating the Royal family... Prince Andrew's daughters were sent to Australia and New Zealand for their safety. And both nations rallied around THEIR Royals and supported the legal British Government during the three year campaign to return the British Armies of the Rhine and Danube back to the British Isles.

The story of how the two become the Federal Republic of Australia is long and drawn out... but it's part of the story of how the greening of outback happened as well. The outback has numerous freshwater lakes and 'inland seas' created... that turned Australia into a breadbaskets nation.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

The outback has numerous freshwater lakes and 'inland seas' created... that turned Australia into a breadbaskets nation.

Well that is absolutely feasible. Australia used to have huge inland seas and was covered in woodland and rainforests back before 100,000 years ago or so. Its only become a vast desert since then.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Targan

Well that is absolutely feasible. Australia used to have huge inland seas and was covered in woodland and rainforests back before 100,000 years ago or so. Its only become a vast desert since then.

Exactly... The Aboriginal & Maori Councils are very influential due to this project. they own some of the largest agro-businesses on Earth, outside of Ukraine & Russia, who have done similar projects with the invention of Hooch during the Twilight War...

[helbent4]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

I know Tony, i went with Commonwealth of Canada since it's several hundred years (and post Twilight War) some things have changed. Canada became a commonwealth instead of a 'Dominion'

Nate,

I don't particularly see the political logic or linguistic/historical rationale. The "Commonwealth" is something Canada would be a part of, it's not usually considered a term for a state in and of itself, albeit rarely. (Except for some American states, even less reason to call ourselves a Commonwealth.)

Canada, as a confederation, already contains the nation of Quebec, so there was no reason to change from a Dominion to anything else merely to signify a return to the historical status quo. I can easily see Canada remaining a confederation of provinces and territories.

If the British-led Commonwealth is somehow strengthened in the postwar world (and I don't really have a problem with this) then the members of the commonwealth that are constitutional monarchies will already generally be referred to as Dominions. Renaming Canada a Commonwealth merely seems redundant if not linguistically clumsy. Right now, the Dominion of Canada is a confederation that is part of the Commonwealth, instead of being a commonwealth that is part of the Commonwealth.

Besides, electing a Governor General from a list of choices given by the Crown hardly seems like a true republic in any sense of the word! For that matter, it means even less political control for Canadians, as currently Canada specifically tells the Crown who to pick, not the other way around. If the Crown were to start exercising political control over Canada then it makes even more sense to call Canada a Dominion.

The USA has gone through serious political changes since its founding as a republic, but ya'all haven't changed what you call yourselves because historical and cultural continuity is important. Such things would be even more important, I believe, after the Twilight War.

But hey, if you just personally like the name "Commonwealth", then there it is. I just like our name as it is, so I can't hold that against you all that much!

Tony

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by helbent4

Nate,

I don't particularly see the political logic or linguistic/historical rationale. The "Commonwealth" is something Canada would be a part of, it's not usually considered a term for a state in and of itself, albeit rarely. (Except for some American states, even less reason to call ourselves a Commonwealth.)

Canada, as a confederation, already contains the nation of Quebec, so there was no reason to change from a Dominion to anything else merely to signify a return to the historical status quo. I can easily see Canada remaining a confederation of provinces and territories.

If the British-led Commonwealth is somehow strengthened in the postwar world (and I don't really have a problem with this) then the members of the commonwealth that are constitutional monarchies will already generally be referred to as Dominions. Renaming Canada a Commonwealth merely seems redundant if not linguistically clumsy. Right now, the Dominion of Canada is a confederation that is part of the Commonwealth, instead of being a commonwealth that is part of the Commonwealth.

Besides, electing a Governor General from a list of choices given by the Crown hardly seems like a true republic in any sense of the word! For that matter, it means even less political control for Canadians, as currently Canada specifically tells the Crown who to pick, not the other way around. If the Crown were to start exercising political control over Canada then it makes even more sense to call Canada a Dominion.

The USA has gone through serious political changes since its founding as a republic, but ya'all haven't changed what you call yourselves because historical and cultural continuity is important. Such things would be even more important, I believe, after the Twilight War.

But hey, if you just personally like the name "Commonwealth", then there it is. I just like our name as it is, so I can't hold that against you all that much!

Tony

I totally understand all of what you're saying... But the 'recent' development of the Crown becoming so powerful with the Commonwealth nations.. that came about after the crown re assumed control of the British Isles and the new way the monarchy was established (ie High King/Queen of the United Kingdom, and the individual Kings/Queens of Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland).

Basically, Canada had to bring Quebec back into the fold on their won... And the ultra-nationalist French Quebec leader had French support (and thus had French military forces on their side when Quebec marched east to 'punish' the English Canadians for all the slights that he felt they had lumped upon French Canadians). The ultra-nationalist leader was killed by his own people (the was just like Hitler, and some of his military leaders saw him as horrible monster, but they actually succeeded in killing the bastard), and since they had such a strong hand when they started the talks to come back into the Confederation, they had issues with the name 'Dominion' since it made them sub-servant to a 'far away monarchy'.

And thus the name change to "The Commonwealth of Canada"

But i guess i really miss described the election of the Governor-General. The voters are the one who picks the candidates that the Crown chooses from. And the tradition is that the person who has the most votes is the one that the Monarch appoints as the new Governor-General. The only time this was not the case, was when a Monarch appointed his youngest (of six) sibling as Governor-General... while this controversial decision caused problems at first, said Royal ended up being one of the most loved of 'modern' Governor-Generals. So much so their family became the official Royal family of Canada. And to top that, the great-grand child of said Governor-General would be the first royal outside of the British Isles to elected to the Throne of High King!

[helbent4]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

And thus the name change to "The Commonwealth of Canada"

Nate,

To be sure, this is a personal preference on my part. As such, my objection is certainly part emotional.

My point is, if the Commonwealth is more politically relevant due to a more active Crown, then having Canada as a "Commonwealth within a Commonwealth" seems clumsy, assuming the Commonwealth is still the primary coalition for UK-allied states. Might as well just use "Canada", which is perfectly acceptable in modern terms.

In my own T2K background (which leads to 2300) the political process of bringing Quebec back into the fold is called "re-Confederation". this is because the political event where Canada was formed is not called "Independence" from Britain but is known as "Confederation".

If the Quebeckers object to "Dominion" (although they frankly would probably not care too much beyond being recognised as a distinct nation), why not then go with something more historically apt and certainly a more technically accurate: the "Confederation of Canada" or "Canadian Confederation". No Canadian could therefore object on technical or historical grounds!

As for our position with regard to tiers, I should think we''d be equal to the Aussies! With all due respect to the Australians, of course.

Tony

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by helbent4

Nate,

To be sure, this is a personal preference on my part. As such, my objection is certainly part emotional.

My point is, if the Commonwealth is more politically relevant due to a more active Crown, then having Canada as a "Commonwealth within a Commonwealth" seems clumsy, assuming the Commonwealth is still the primary coalition for UK-allied states. Might as well just use "Canada", which is perfectly acceptable in modern terms.

In my own T2K background (which leads to 2300) the political process of bringing Quebec back into the fold is called "re-Confederation". this is because the political event where Canada was formed is not called "Independence" from Britain but is known as "Confederation".

If the Quebeckers object to "Dominion" (although they frankly would probably not care too much beyond being recognised as a distinct nation), why not then go with something more historically apt and certainly a more technically accurate: the "Confederation of Canada" or "Canadian Confederation". No Canadian could therefore object on technical or historical grounds!

As for our position with regard to tiers, I should think we''d be equal to the Aussies! With all due respect to the Australians, of course.

Tony

I was thinking of the Canadian Confederation as we were having this discussion... and it'll be the name for my version of 2300ad.

the tiers aren't really as important, it's not about who's the best... but by their level of extra-solar colonization (the Sol System is heavily colonized by even those states without interstellar capacity).

Thus why France and Manchuria are first tier states, they have sponsored the most colonies.

Second tier states are growing, third tier states are just as powerful as the second tier... they just are not as tied down to so many colonial possessions (though many are looking to establish those colonies). Canada is taking a slow, methodical approach to colonization. They won't just seed colonies, they build a colony and get it self-sufficient. Then build another one.

of all the colonial powers, the Canadian Colonial program is described as 'Slow and Steady' and this has been paying off. They see coloinization as a long-distance run and not a sprint. And with the fact in my campaign, there are many abandoned and failed colonies... this is proving to be a very smart way of handling the expansion of their territory. because it's more stable in the long run!

So see it as a matter of Pride.

[helbent4]

Nathan,

The Confederation of Canada (aka Canada) could be formed from (say) three semi-independent states: the Maritimes, the Republic of Quebec and the Dominion of Canada (Ontario and the West). Over time, power in Canada has been devolving from the federal government down to the provinces, something that would accelerate due to the Twilight War. Still one unified nation with a central government, but power is now formally shared at a well-defined regional level instead of semi-informally at the federal-provincial levels. Defence, taxation, colonisation, health care and other large national programs and policies are still controlled at a federal level, but for administrative purposes the regions manage their own affairs (for example, all provinces have their militias but they are under a national command). By tradition, the GG post is rotated through each region (that is, one from Quebec, the next from the Dominion, the next from the Maritimes, and so on).

As for the tiers, nice sop to national pride!

Tony

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by helbent4

As for the tiers, nice sop to national pride!

Tony

LOL. I got the idea for the "Slow and Steady" Colonizational plan from how Canon 2300ad described how the Canadian colonization program was operating. I just expanded upon it.