Mini-gun on a Humvee?

[Gabe The Gun]

Is the weopons mount on the Humvee able to accept the mini-gun out of the Small Arms Guide?

[TiggerCCW UK]

IIRC The minigun is listed in game as needing a NATO heavy tripod, which is what the pintle mount is equivalent to. I think

[copeab]

Originally Posted by Gabe The Gun

Is the weopons mount on the Humvee able to accept the mini-gun out of the Small Arms Guide?

There have been Myhbuster episodes were the minugun was fitted to a mount on a Suburban

[Matt W]

http://gizmodo.com/290181/presidenti...-air-with-lead

[pmulcahy11b]

It takes an hard-top or armored HMMWV to mount a weapon. The mount itself (assuming it doesn't have one of the newer turret-type mounts or a CROWS station) is sort of a universal mount -- what weapon you can put on it depends on that type of pintle is attached to the mount.

[Legbreaker]

The M134 was trialled in the Vietnam war mounted on an M113. Although extremely effective, it was quickly decided not to use it in this manner due to the extreme wastage of ammunition.
It was like firing 10 M60's all at the one target point - nothing left, but it only takes one bullet to do the job, not hundreds....

I'd say let your players mount it but don't tell them just how much ammo they're about to chew through with little real result. You might also want to pay attention to the feed system - if they don't have one, then they're likely to run into problems with snagged belts, stretched links (when the belts snag), the need to reload every second action, etc, etc, etc

Mounted on a tripod in a stationary role should eliminate most of the feed issues (provided they've had time to lay out a few thousand rounds and don't need to swing the weapon around too much), but they'll still be firing way more ammo than they need to to get the job done.

[sglancy12]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

but they'll still be firing way more ammo than they need to to get the job done.

That really depends on the job, doesn't it?

It occurs to me that during the battle of Mogadishu, the Rangers in those Humvees roaring through the streets probably could have used miniguns to suppress all the snipers and gunmen blazing away at them from every window, doorway, rooftop, and alley way. Maybe the ranges were too close for the MK-19 and maybe the M2HB fired too slow... of course, with the M2HB "cover" stopped being an issue. That thing pretty much shoots through schools.

But still, the objective may be more about suppressing the enemy's fire than necessarily killing them. And yes, I realize that killing them sure as shit suppresses their fire. I'm just saying that when fighting guys whose total experience with miniguns may only be watching Terminator 2 and Predator, perhaps the weapon will be effective as suppressing them just because they are intimidated by the volume of fire and the sound it makes.

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing

[Frank Frey]

I'd like to elaborate a bit on what Scott has posted. I've actually been inside one of those M113 Minigun Tracks. This one was an M113 ACAV that had been upgunned with the M134 sitting where the 50 used to be and with a 50 cal on a pintle mount where the M60's used to be. The trak belonged to a combat MP unit that specialized in convoy escort. The trak commander told me that while they could put out the firepower, the ammo usage was tremendous.
I saw what he meant when I looked inside and saw nothing but ammo boxes stacked all over the place. The M113 was a rolling ammo bunker with none of the real protection.
That's the real downside of one of these mothers. I guarantee you that once the enemy becomes aware of what you got, they will throw everything at you from ATGM's to flaming monkey poo.

Out Here,
Frank Frey

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by sglancy12

Maybe the ranges were too close for the MK-19 and maybe the M2HB fired too slow... of course, with the M2HB "cover" stopped being an issue. That thing pretty much shoots through schools.

That's something not really well-covered by the rules -- overpenetration. The last game I ever GMed, I did this to players taking shelter in a building made of cinder blocks with the spaces inside filled with concrete -- I managed to figure out that the KPV they were sheltering against penetrated the wall, a shelf on the wall, and a desk before it hit them (their players still took 4d6 damage each), but that slowed game play. Maybe I was being overrealistic or should had just made an educated guess...

Another thing not covered is overpenetrating a human body, something that becomes very important in CQB when there are civilians mixed in with the bad guys or if police are fighting bad guys in the same situation. I'll admit I have no good ideas about how to handle that one.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I hope your players have lots of ammunition and don't mind lots of recoil throwing their shots off target
http://shock.military.com/Shock/vide...=3&ESRC=dod.nl

[Legbreaker]

I think that video adequately shows the problem with mounting the weapon on a flexible platform....
At least with a tracked vehicle such as the M113, you're barely going to see that effect. Of course the ammo wastage is still going to be a big issue...

[cavtroop]

Keep in mind, that second video (from military.com) is a FIFTY CAL. Holy crap! It's the GAU-19/A - here is wikipedias page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-19

Never knew we had a .50 gatling gun, wow!

The 7.62 doesn't have much recoil, but it will go through an INSANE amount of ammo. Can't imaging anyone in the Twilight world having access to that amount of ammo, realistically.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by cavtroop

Keep in mind, that second video (from military.com) is a FIFTY CAL. Holy crap! It's the GAU-19/A - here is wikipedias page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-19

Never knew we had a .50 gatling gun, wow!

I don't think you had joined here back then but I raved about this weapon on this forum a couple of years ago. It was originally intended to be a chin gun for the V-22 Osprey and I never did figure out why the production versions of the Osprey didn't end up having this weapon fitted. Its awesome.

[cavtroop]

Originally Posted by Targan

Its awesome.

That, good sir, may be the understatement of the year. What's not to love about a .50 gatling gun? My goodness! LOL

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by cavtroop

What's not to love about a .50 gatling gun?

It's not a 25mm firing incendiaries?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by cavtroop

That, good sir, may be the understatement of the year. What's not to love about a .50 gatling gun? My goodness! LOL

It's not a GAU-8...

[cavtroop]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

It's not a GAU-8...

LOL, can you imagine mounting one of those on a Humvee? Flip it right over

[Legbreaker]

Hmmm, add in a few stabilisers such as you see on cranes and you've got yourself a concept.
Not sure if a Humvee could carry enough ammo though.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by cavtroop

LOL, can you imagine mounting one of those on a Humvee? Flip it right over

Yeah, but imagine the effects of that first (and only) burst!

[Legbreaker]

I think I've solved the limited magazine problem - trailer mount it with a flexible (and powered) link to the weapon.
Same basic concept as the old Crocodile flamethrower tank.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I think I've solved the limited magazine problem - trailer mount it with a flexible (and powered) link to the weapon.
Same basic concept as the old Crocodile flamethrower tank.

Pure genius. I love it.

Send photos when you've completed your proof-of-concept prototype!

[Legbreaker]

Oh no! Now I've started thinking!

25mm gatling with a flame thrower coaxial and trailer mounted ammo supply!

[TiggerCCW UK]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I think I've solved the limited magazine problem - trailer mount it with a flexible (and powered) link to the weapon.
Same basic concept as the old Crocodile flamethrower tank.

Funny you should mention that - I was looking at a Crocodile yesterday, at the Muckleburgh Collection.

[TiggerCCW UK]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

It's not a GAU-8...

Thats the Avenger from the A-10 isn't it? Could it theoretically be given a ground mount?

[kato13]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Thats the Avenger from the A-10 isn't it? Could it theoretically be given a ground mount?

I considered trying to work out an Engineering/Urban Warfare vehicle using one until I saw the size.

http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki..._VW_Type_1.jpg

To me it seems like any type of aiming system would be very problematic. I have seen some anecdotal evidence of an attempt to mount one on an LCAC (Landing Craft Air Cushion) where it would have been used as a shore support weapon.

edit

wiki link to modified weapon GAU-13. It does suggest the possibility of mounting a four barreled version on some type of LAV.

[TiggerCCW UK]

Wow, I hadn't realised just how big it was Maybe a VW flinging catapult would be a better option.....

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Maybe a VW flinging catapult would be a better option.....

Now we're thinking! Pack it full of dynamite and you've got some serious firepower!

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Wow, I hadn't realised just how big it was Maybe a VW flinging catapult would be a better option.....

Antenna has rules for a cow-flinging trebuchet on his site; it shouldn't be too hard to power-up his version to be able to fling a VW.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Antenna has rules for a cow-flinging trebuchet on his site; it shouldn't be too hard to power-up his version to be able to fling a VW.

Harder than you'd think. Just ask those lovely people over at Scrapheap Challenge, in particular The Barley Pickers.

[TiggerCCW UK]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Harder than you'd think. Just ask those lovely people over at Scrapheap Challenge, in particular The Barley Pickers.

Proper job!