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#1
08-18-2011, 11:32 AM
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Initial Issue Kits
This represents way too much free time on my hands over the last twenty some odd years!
Anywho! I've always had issues with the initial equipment loads in TM 1-1, I feel that throwing a team to the woves in a post-TEOTWAWKI scenario with what boils down to a couple of weeks of food, a basic load of ammunition and a change of underwear is, at best, a waste of resources. Soooo here are my takes on a few of the Project's "packs". Please feel free to flame away, I am wearing my fire-proof thong!  This first post deals with the Basic Pack. This is a tad on the heavy side at 58kg! But this will give a team member sufficient equipment for about 30 days of use. Duffel Bag Personal Effects Satchel PASGT Helmet Interceptor Armor Vest w/2 trauma plates ITLBV Vest w/patrol & mission packs Equipment Belt M-12 Holster, Ambidextrous M-9 Bayonet/Knife w/Carrier OR Combat Knife w/Sheath Entrenching Tool w/Carrier 2 1l Canteens w/Cup & Carriers 2l Canteen w/Cover 5l Bladder Canteen w/Cover M-1 NBC Kit M-40 Mask w/Carrier AN/PAQ-4C Infrared Aiming Light AN/PVS-7B Night Vision Goggles AN/PRC-129 Hand Radio Personal First Aid Kit Personal Drug Kit Leatherman Knife w/carrier Personal Weapons Cleaning Kit Personal Survival Kit Mini-Mag Lite w/Carrier Mag Lite (4 D-cell size) 8 prs Battle Dress Uniforms (2 gray, 6 in woodland) 12 pairs Wool Socks 2 pairs Combat Boots 12 pairs OD Underwear 12 Olive Drab Tee-shirts Gore-Tex Rainsuit, woodland pat 2 Watch Caps 2 BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat 2 Commando Sweaters 3 prs, Thermal Underwear OD Green Wool Scarf 4 Neckerchiefs 2 prs Blk Leather Gloves 4 pairs Wool Inserts Poncho w/Liner, both in woodland pattern Personal Tent, woodland pattern 2 BDU pattern Ground Sheets, woodland pattern Sleeping Bag 2 Wool Blankets Self-Inflating Bedroll Gore-Tex Sleeping Bag Cover Mosquito Net Basic Toilet Kit 3 Bath Towels 100m Cotton Twine 10m of 11mm Nylon Line 50m Parachute Cord 2 Emergency Candles Mess Kit 7 pouches Emergency Ration Bars (42 bars) 6 assorted Meals-Ready-To-Eat Personal Stove 10 pouches Trioxane Fuel Tablets (30bars) 6 boxes Wind & Waterproof Matches (300 total) 2 Magnesium Firestarters 3 bottles Water Purification Tablets (150 tabs) Map Case, containing: Tritium Compass w/Carrier Ranger Compass Protractor Stainless Steel Signal Mirror 4 Field Message Pads 2 "Bic" Lighters Camouflage Compact Pen w/6 reload cartridges 6 #2 Pencils Mechanical Pencil w/12 reloads 4 Grease Pencils (Red, Green, 2 Black)
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The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis. 
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#2
08-18-2011, 01:40 PM
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Pretty good. Of course, everyone has their own ideas on what is appropriate. Personally, I'm leaning towards the "mothership" idea: reduce the amount of INDIVIDUAL stuff and increase the amount of team/vehicle stuff. That way you can have things like a team allocation of stationery
(see http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.p...ght=mothership)
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#3
08-18-2011, 05:48 PM
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There is no way that could fit into an ALICE large and I am guessing not into a CFP-90 either.
Why not break it down into Worn LBE Rucksack (bergen for the Brits n ANZACS). Duffle bag Also yours is a packing list with equipment not yet issued in 1989, so what would you go with if limited upto the 18 November, 1989 time date?
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#4
08-18-2011, 06:57 PM
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Revised by myself from your list.
Worn: Combat Boots Battle Dress Uniform Gray or Woodland) BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat (temperate) Blk Leather Gloves w/ wool inserts (in cold weather) Commando Sweaters (in cold weather) Neckerchiefs (temperate) OD Green Wool Scarf(in cold weather) OD Underwear Olive Drab Tee-shirts Thermal Underwear(in cold weather) Watch Caps (in cold weather) Wool Socks LBE/LBV 2 1l Canteens w/Cup & Carriers 2l Canteen w/Cover AN/PRC-129 Hand Radio Entrenching Tool w/Carrier Equipment Belt Interceptor Armor Vest w/2 trauma plates ITLBV Vest w/patrol & mission packs Leatherman Knife w/carrier M-12 Holster, Ambidextrous M-40 Mask w/Carrier M-9 Bayonet/Knife w/Carrier OR Combat Knife w/Sheath Mini-Mag Lite w/Carrier PASGT Helmet Personal Drug Kit Personal Effects Satchel Personal First Aid Kit Personal Survival Kit Protractor Ranger Compass Stainless Steel Signal Mirror Rucksack 1 Bath Towels 1 BDU pattern Ground Sheets, woodland pattern 1 BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat (unless worn) 1 bottles Water Purification Tablets (50 tabs) 1 boxes Wind & Waterproof Matches (50 total) 1 Commando Sweaters (unless worn) 1 Magnesium Firestarters 1 Neckerchiefs (unless worn) 1 prs Blk Leather Gloves (unless worn) 1 prs, Thermal Underwear (unless worn) 1 Watch Caps (unless worn) 100m Cotton Twine 10m of 11mm Nylon Line 2 Emergency Candles 2 pairs Wool Inserts (unless worn) 2 pouches Emergency Ration Bars (12 bars) 2 Wool Blankets (optional summer use) 3 pouches Trioxane Fuel Tablets (9bars) 3prs Battle Dress Uniforms ( gray or woodland w/ 1 worn) 4 Olive Drab Tee-shirts 4 pairs OD Underwear 4 pairs Wool Socks 50m Parachute Cord 5l Bladder Canteen w/Cover 6 assorted Meals-Ready-To-Eat AN/PVS-7B Night Vision Goggles Basic Toilet Kit Gore-Tex Rainsuit, woodland pat Gore-Tex Sleeping Bag Cover (Summer W/o tent) M-1 NBC Kit Mess Kit Mini-Mag Lite w/Carrier Mosquito Net (in season) OD Green Wool Scarf (unless worn) Personal Stove Personal Tent, woodland pattern Personal Weapons Cleaning Kit Poncho w/Liner, both in woodland pattern (unless worn) Self-Inflating Bedroll Sleeping Bag (Fall/ Winter) Duffle 1 BDU pattern Ground Sheets, woodland pattern 1 BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat 1 Commando Sweaters 1 Magnesium Firestarters 1 pairs Combat Boots 1 prs Blk Leather Gloves 1 Watch Caps 2 Bath Towels 2 bottles Water Purification Tablets (100 tabs) 2 pairs Wool Inserts 2 prs, Thermal Underwear 2 Wool Blankets (Winter) 3 Neckerchiefs 5 boxes Wind & Waterproof Matches (250 total) 5 pouches Emergency Ration Bars (30 bars) 5 prs Battle Dress Uniforms (gray or woodland) 7 pouches Trioxane Fuel Tablets (21bars) 8 Olive Drab Tee-shirts 8 pairs OD Underwear 8 pairs Wool Socks Basic Toilet Kit Duffel Bag Gore-Tex Rainsuit, woodland pat Gore-Tex Sleeping Bag Cover (Summer) Mosquito Net (winter) OD Green Wool Scarf Personal Stove Personal Tent, woodland pattern Poncho w/Liner, both in woodland pattern Sleeping Bag (Summer) Map Case 2 "Bic" Lighters 4 Field Message Pads 4 Grease Pencils (Red, Green, 2 Black) 6 #2 Pencils Camouflage Compact Mechanical Pencil w/12 reloads Pen w/6 reload cartridges Protractor Ranger Compass Stainless Steel Signal Mirror Tritium Compass w/Carrier
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#5
08-20-2011, 09:25 AM
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It actually breaks down into three loads, a duffel bag with spare clothing and cold weather gear, a rucksack and a tacvest....
I've never seen the need to break down exactly what was carried where, with the exception of anything man-portable. I've always assumed that if the player doesn't have it listed on their vest/rucksack, then its in their duffel bag.
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The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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#6
08-20-2011, 09:33 AM
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Here is my take on the Trade Pack
20 Gold Double Eagle Coins 60 Silver Dollars 1 roll each of quarters, dimes, nickels and pennies 12 Toilet Kits (toothbrush w/case; tooth powder, 2 small bars of soap, straight razor, shaving powder, wash cloth and a hand towel) 12 Comb & Brush Sets 36 asstd. mini-bottles of alcohol 12 Nylon Rain Ponchos 24 Space Blankets 12 Fishing Kits 24 Swiss Army knives 12 Hunting Knives 6 “Leatherman” multitool 6 100-rd boxes of .22LR ammo 48 250gm Packs of Candy 24 12-packs chewing gum 36 assorted Calumet light sticks 6 cartons of Cigarettes 1 box of Cigars 24 AAA Ni-Cad Batteries 24 AA Ni-Cad Batteries 12 C Ni-Cad Batteries 12 D Ni-Cad Batteries 10 Solar-powered Battery rechargers 12 Small Game Traps 6 Throw Nets 6 Stainless Steel Mirrors 64 Disposable Lighters 64 Perfume Packages (tester packs) 96 Instant Coffee packets 48 Tea packets 24 Kool-Aid drink packets 3 rolls 60ftx10ft of 5ml Clear Plastic 12 boxes astd nuts, bolts, screws and nails
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The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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#7
08-20-2011, 01:09 PM
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Quote:
Theft really motivates Players and makes for impromptu side adventures. Last edited by ArmySGT.; 08-20-2011 at 11:59 PM.
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#8
08-21-2011, 12:59 AM
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According to 3rd edition and PF 001
You get.......................... Worn Coveralls "Resist Weave" w/ zip on hood, patches, and name tape Boots, armored Beret Underwear MP ID card Pocket knife w/ 2 blades, can & bottle opener, and screwdriver Belt Canteen with cup and pouch, 1 liter Compass Holster KCB-70 M17A1 Protective Mask (in separate carrier) A/N PRC-68 Radio Medkit M1 CBR Kit Ammo Pouch x2 (Shoulder weapon) Ammo Pouch Sidearm Rucksack Alice Pack (unspecified) Alice Pack, Frame with straps, belt, and kidney pad Canteen, folding 5 liter Rations, Dehydrated, x14 days Mess, Kit aluminium Flashlight Matches Kit, Weapons Cleaning Cord, Nylon 50m Kit, Toilet Clothes, Change (unspecified) x2 Underwear x2 Poncho, Water proof Bag, sleeping, Light weight (Summer?) Last edited by ArmySGT.; 08-21-2011 at 12:12 PM. Reason: Found more "canon" items.
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#9
08-21-2011, 08:48 AM
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In my FTF games, the players note the contents of their tacvest and pockets on the front of a 3x5 card, the contents of their patrol pack on the back and anything not listed is in the duffel bag.
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The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis.
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#10
08-21-2011, 10:15 AM
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I thought it worked well, give the PC something from "home" but not adding a huge amount of volume or weight. One of my PC's had a pipe, 5 lbs of pipe tobacco, couple of Bic lighters, Pipe cleaners, and a Pint of Scotch (for medicinal purposes only!!)
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#11
08-26-2011, 07:37 PM
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Cold Weather kit (individual)
Cap, Wool Knit, Black in color 1 Sunglasses or Goggles, Photosensitive 1 Pair Scarf, Wool, White in color 1 Parka w/ detachable hood, Gortex shell, White in color 1 Mittens, Shooting, w/ leather shell 1 Pair Liners, Mitten, Wool, Green in color 2 Pair Pants, Field, Wool, White in color w/ Cargo pockets 2 Pair Boots, Insulated, black in color 1 Pair Sweater, Wool, "Commando" Green in color 1 Set, Underwear, long, green in color 2 Socks, wool, thick, wool 6 Pair Stove, Individual 1 Tablets, heating, stove 50 Salve, wind and sun, 4 oz 1 Bottle, plastic, Lubricant, Weapons, Cold weather 1 Snow shoes, Aluminium 1 Pair Cold Weather kit (Team) Tent, Dome, Free standing, 4 man 1 Stove, camping, "Optimus" w/ 24 hours fuel 1 Saw, Ice 1 Blanket, Space, with white in color exterior 4 Kit, Weapons Maintenance, cold weather 1 Starter, fire, "fire stick" 1 Last edited by ArmySGT.; 08-26-2011 at 08:39 PM.
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#12
08-26-2011, 08:39 PM
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Desert Terrain Kit (Individual)
Hat, wide brim, "Boonie" Green in color 1 Sunglasses / Goggles, Photosensitive 1 Socks, Thick, wool, 6 Can, Cream, sunburn, 6oz 1 Can, Sunblock, 6oz 1 Bottle, Lubricant, Weapons, desert, 2oz 1 Filter, Water, "Katadyn" 1 Bottle,Water purifying, 50 tablets 1 Kit, Water Condensing, "Solar Still" 1 Canteen, 1 liter 1 Coveralls, Desert Camoflage 1 Tool, entrenching w/ oak handle 1 Mirror, signal, stainless steel 1 Manual, Desert survival (Project issue) 1 Sweater, Tan 1 Jacket, Field, Desert Camouflage 1 Bottle, rubbing alcohol, 10oz 1 Bandana, tan, desert camoflage 1 Container, 5 gallon, water, collapsible 1 Desert Terrain kit (Team) Tent, Free standing dome, four man, Green in color 1 Stove, Camping w/ 24 hours fuel 1 Kit, weapons Maintenance, Desert terrain 1 Air conditioner, Vehicle mounted, enclosed vehicle 1 per Container, water, 75 Liter, "thermos" 1 Net, camouflage, 20' x 20' w/stake, guys, poles 1 Fly, Desert, open, desert camouflage 1
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