little talked about AO in T2K

[LAW0306]

Would this happen in T2K or would it be quicker. Leg what does Cannon say on this. I have not looked into this in the past.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...est=latestnews

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by LAW0306

Would this happen in T2K or would it be quicker. Leg what does Cannon say on this. I have not looked into this in the past.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...est=latestnews

I think part of the conditions set by Kato was for the two of you to be on each other's ignore list. Unfortunately that means when either of you is asking something the other one is not going to see it - a shame because you both have things to contribute

[Targan]

I think with Leg and Law continuing to display their recent respectful tone towards one another we can let that requirement slide for the time being. I applaud this development. Just goes to show, we all have more in common than not.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by LAW0306

Would this happen in T2K or would it be quicker. Leg what does Cannon say on this. I have not looked into this in the past.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...est=latestnews

I've just spent some time scanning through the RDF Sourcebook and information on what happens with Egypt in the Twilight War is very scant. Of course, info on Africa in general in T2K is very scant. I think we can infer a few likely facts from the tiny bits of info that do exist.

Originally Posted by Page 2, paragraph 5 of the RDF Sourcebook

1988-1990
[Snip]
The most important change, however, came about in Israel. American foreign policy, since the late 1980s, had been to bring increasing pressure to bear on the Israeli government to negotiate a settlement with its neighbors. The Jerusalem government realized that loss of US support would maroon them in a sea of enemies, and reluctantly bowed to the inevitable.

The resulting treaties (collectively called Camp David II) established a non-territorial Palestinian state (Palestinians living in either country would hold dual Israeli/Jordanian citizenship). A treaty between Jordan and Israel was signed and the previous Israeli/Egyptian agreement was re-affirmed.

Extremists on both sides denounced these developments and vowed to continue the fight, but in spite of occasional terrorist incidents, the Camp David II agreements held up. All sides settled in and accepted the new order of things. American prestige and influence hit an all time high in the region.

Other relevant info includes the Israelis scaring the Syrians out of an attempt to retake the Golan Heights in 1995; the Syrians getting bogged down in a horrible slug-fest when they invade Iraq on behalf of the Soviets in 1999; and the fact that as of mid-2000 there are an Israeli airborne brigade, armored brigade and combat helicopter company operating in Iran under the command of the US Third Army.

My take on the matter is that with Syria receiving little or no support from the Soviets and its forces being horribly mauled in Iraq, and the Israelis being willing to send significant combat assets to Iran, Israel probably isn't involved in armed conflict with Egypt during the Twilight War, at least up to 2000.

We know from Traveller: 2300 that Egypt was part of a coalition with France, Great Britain, Bavaria and Japan that occupied the Saudi oilfields in 2008. That coalition fought what came to be known as the Saudi War from 2010 to 2013 against Iran which invaded Saudi Arabia in a bid to secure a share of the oil supplies there. Iran got its arse handed to it and a buffer zone was established along the northern edge of the Saudi Peninsula.

Phew. I'm done researching for tonight. Hope this was helpful.

[ArmySGT.]

[James Langham]

Originally Posted by LAW0306

Would this happen in T2K or would it be quicker. Leg what does Cannon say on this. I have not looked into this in the past.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...est=latestnews

My campaign has Egypt hit by nukes - prime targets the Aswan High Dam and the Suez Canal.

A border war with Libya focuses Egyptian interest to the west (yes I like the book Bright Star by Harold Coyle!)

[James Langham]

Initial draft of an Egyptian chronology:

Egypt in the Twilight War

1990
February sees an attack on a bus carrying Israeli tourists in Egypt kills 11 (9 of them Israelis) and wounds 16. Responsibility is claimed by Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

In August, Egypt joins the coalition against Saddam Hussain. It sends the Egyptian II Corps with the 3rd Mechanised and 4th Armoured Divisions. Egyptian secret police increase their activities against internal militants.

An attempt in October to assassinate the Interior Minister Abdel-Halim Moussa fails but does kill the Parliamentary Speaker Rifaaf al-Mahgoub by mistake. This is claimed by Egyptian Islamic Jihad.

1991
US pressure on Israel in the aftermath of the Gulf War allows the Camp David II Agreement between Egypt and Israel. This confirms the previous treaties and gives Gaza to Israel (with it's citizens receiving joint Israeli-Jordanian citizenship). Hard liners in Egypt protest but are quickly silenced by the police. Realists in Egypt realise that Gaza would have been a drain on the economy and the massive US aid in return is welcomed. This US aid allied with IMF arrangements allow major economic reforms and by 1995 inflation has been reduced to 6% and GDP has more than doubled even allowing for this. Political reform is less effective and Egypt effectively remains a single party state (mainly due to the lack of unity and in fighting among the opposition).

1993
This is a particularly bad year for terrorism in Egypt, over 1100 people are killed, 120 of them police, 116 of them terrorists. Several senior police officers are targeted in daylight ambushes. In one incident a police chief and eight bodyguards are killed in a well orchestrated ambush involving the use of RPGs and a DshK.

December sees the declaration of martial law and the Army (always popular in Egypt) deploys to assist the police in Operation Abadi (Eternal). For many citizens the Army is actually seen as a moderating influence on the police

1994
Islamic terrorists switch much of their activity to attacking Egyptian Christians (Copts). Analysts believe that this is due to increased security for tourists.

1995
In November, the Libyans start sabre rattling on the border with Egypt. The US deploys the 173rd Airborne Brigade to Egypt on exercise Small Star (a mini version of Bright Star).

1996
In January with Egyptian pressure increasing and worried over possible disruption to oil supplies CENTCOM agrees a Bright Star exercise to run in 1997.

Soviet diplomatic efforts in Libya in January result in the Libyan army deploying troops to the border with Egypt in an attempt to divert US attention from elsewhere. The Libyans however are half hearted in their efforts and the deployment of Egyptian troops keeps a lid on the tensions.

March sees a surprise Israeli attack into Syria in Operation Downwards. Egypt launches diplomatic complaints and places the Eastern Military Command on high alert. The 3rd Field Army is reinforced and digs in along the border. US pressure however stops an all out war although there is some cross border artillery duelling and special forces raids (both of which the two sides try and keep quiet). It is noted that both sides artillery avoids civilian areas and it is seen very much as a sop to hard liners. A number of Egyptian volunteers travel to Syria and fight in the siege of Damascus.

In July further pressure is placed on the Libyans to increase border activity against Egypt as a diversion to CENTCOM as the Trans-Caucusus Front prepares to invade Iran.

October sees a naval clash between a Libyan Osa II and two Egyptian October class missile boats. Firing from surprise having hidden close inshore, the Osa's Styx missiles destroyed one Both sides claimed the other fired first but the US released footage from a Hawkeye operating from Gibraltar that clearly showed the Libyans firing first. Colonel Ghaddafi responded with a two hour rant on Libyan television claiming that the footage was faked.

1997
In February the US 173rd Airborne departs Egypt for Kenya to assist the Kenyan government's fight against rebels and to provide a base for anti-pirate activity in the Gulf of Aden. Later they will move to secure the oil refineries.

December sees the destruction of the Aswan High Dam in a missile strike from an unidentified Soviet submarine. The resulting flood and disruption (particularly due energy production shortages) will inflict heavy civilian loses. Egypt returns to a more agricultural society relying on the Nile flooding. Bands of militant Islamists plague the government which tries hard to defeat them. Another missile from the same sub hits the Suez Canal rendering it useless.

2008
Egypt along with the UK, France, Japan and Bavaria sends troops to replace the US garrisons on the remaining Saudi oil fields.

To add
Libyan chemical strikes
Saudi War
1997 Libya-Egypt War
Muslim Brotherhood

Before I expand it any further, thoughts?

[StainlessSteelCynic]

James I like it, I'd only add that life for rural people in Egypt is hard by Western standards (e.g. not anywhere near the level of mechanization for farming and nowhere near the level of luxuries). They could survive the lack of electricity but I don't think they will be able to provide enough food/money/etc. for themselves, the government and any rebellious elements that would need them for resupply/support.
Any rebellion using the rural people as its base is probably unlikely to survive for long because there just won't be enough resources to sustain it. I think that if a militant group wanted to make a long term project of rebellion, they would probably need to resupply from the cities unless they were able to take over a rural province for themselves.