The new 99%.....

[.45cultist]

In my attempts to craft variant Twilight 2013 and later worlds. The ChiComs supply advisors and Mak90's to radicals in colleges across the country, tying down resources better used elsewhere. The '13 background convinced me to use alot of little things to add up to large problems. Economic and hacking attacks to weaken infrastructure are a couple of these. Iknow they have problems but without things going wrong this is just Merc 2013.

[bobcat]

i'd throw in a few radical right wing groups here and there. particularly in the more rural colleges.

[.45cultist]

Fights between the two groups hampering any reconstruction, has possibilties.

[natehale1971]

It's odd how so many of the 'far right' groups in recent decades have been discovered to be composed of Vets and older Americans whom have been dedicated to a campaign of peaceful protests. so much so that they leave the areas where they are haivng their rallies cleaner than they found them. this has seen them get called 'astroturf' by both political officials and news media outlets.

But the Southern Poverty Law Centre does now call the Nation of Islam & New Black Panther Party as far-right hate groups. so there are a few groups that would be willing to go from just trying to be peaceful and respectful protests and jump right into armed conflicts with both feet.

While the Occupy Movement has caused public health hazards, rapes, assaults and caught in the act of preparing to launch a bombing campaign on more than one occassion.

Now there are some 'far right' Soveriegn movements that are really 'far right' that have a few adherants whom would be willing to take up arms, but they are very rare. For the most part, the 'far right' has become a group that is dedicated to the 'just leave me alone' camp, and violence only occurs when someone shows up on their door step and starts pushing them around (example is what happened at Ruby). Or from federal law enforcement trying to entrap them in becoming undercover assets in the attempt to inflitrate what ever 'extremist group' that they are wanting to start survielance upon.

I had the PRC and other nations funding fifth columnist movements... the PRC and North Koreans sponsored the human smuggling of disasatified people from the PRC into the United States to act as a means of covering for the covert operatives being brought in as well. They'd then set up shop in various key areas where they would create caches of weapons, supplies & equipment for the cells of operatives whom would be reinforced by special ops personnel in the vanguard of any invasion. or to keep the US from being able to reinforce any troop deployments in the Pacific theather.

They also funded the Azteka, Chincano and La Raza movements whom want to seize the US South West and return it to Mexico with the resources they would need to actually become a real threat. Now there are enough of these groups already in existance that could easily be used as the core of an ared fifth column organization that could be used to terrorize Anglos and other groups in an attempt to force them to leave the area and make it more ripe for the picking by a reviitalilzed Mexican invasion.

I guess what i'm trying to say is that there are alot of groups out there that aren't 'Right Wing' or 'Left Wing' that can be easily exploited by someone who is wanting to weaken the United States internally.

If you want to get a good idea of the domestic terrorist mindset, please read some of the books about the Weather Underground and Bill Ayers that was written y the FBI agents and informants whom actualy got inside the inner ciricle of the movments leadership.

[Targan]

Nate, your post appears to me to contain some fairly partisan political views. Then again, maybe I'm not reading it correctly.

Originally Posted by natehale1971

It's odd how so many of the 'far right' groups in recent decades have been discovered to be composed of Vets and older Americans whom have been dedicated to a campaign of peaceful protests. so much so that they leave the areas where they are haivng their rallies cleaner than they found them. this has seen them get called 'astroturf' by both political officials and news media outlets.

But the Southern Poverty Law Centre does now call the Nation of Islam & New Black Panther Party as far-right hate groups. so there are a few groups that would be willing to go from just trying to be peaceful and respectful protests and jump right into armed conflicts with both feet.

I'm glad to hear that many far right organisations in the US are actually just touchy-feely groups of civic-minded veterans and senior citizens whose main concern is keeping their protest spaces clean. Oh, but not the African-American or Islamic groups. They're the bad ones. Is that about right?

Originally Posted by natehale1971

While the Occupy Movement has caused public health hazards, rapes, assaults and caught in the act of preparing to launch a bombing campaign on more than one occassion.

And here I was thinking that rapists cause rapes, but you're saying that the Occupy movement is responsible for rapes too? I've read a number of articles about rapes that have occurred at Occupy protests. I've also read about rapes occurring at large gatherings of people of all kinds. As far as I know the Occupy movement as a whole is against sexual assault (I do understand though that the Occupy movement has tried to distance itself from rapes that have occurred at its protests and that is a pretty crappy tactic).

The cases of bomb plots seem to involve anarchist groups that have aligned themselves with the Occupy movement. I have strong doubts that the mainstream Occupy movement condones terrorist attacks. Perhaps I need to do more research on this.

[natehale1971]

Nate, your post appears to me to contain some fairly partisan political views. Then again, maybe I'm not reading it correctly.

Read it as you would like... because from your responses, it's obvious you've taken it as an insult instead of looking at the past two decades and more of the incidents of politically motivated violence here in the United States.

I have stated facts, not a partisan attack nor colored my coverage of said actions.

I'm glad to hear that many far right organisations in the US are actually just touchy-feely groups of civic-minded veterans and senior citizens whose main concern is keeping their protest spaces clean. Oh, but not the African-American or Islamic groups. They're the bad ones. Is that about right?

Let's see... where to start.

I was making a comment about how the New Black Panthern Party and the Nation of Islam (a group that I might add has been all but disowned by the majority of Muslims whom see it as a CULT due to the tenants of it's faith) are classified by the Southern Poverty Law Centre as being RIGHT-Wing Hate groups. Nothing about the fact they were black or muslims. YOU took it that way and compeltely didn't read the message stating this simple fact.

I said NOTHING about singling out anyone by their faith or skin color... just that those two groups are motivated by an ideology that does not come anywhere near 'Right-Wing' in nature or action, nor do they come out as 'left-wing' for that matter either.


And here I was thinking that rapists cause rapes, but you're saying that the Occupy movement is responsible for rapes too? I've read a number of articles about rapes that have occurred at Occupy protests. I've also read about rapes occurring at large gatherings of people of all kinds. As far as I know the Occupy movement as a whole is against sexual assault (I do understand though that the Occupy movement has tried to distance itself from rapes that have occurred at its protests and that is a pretty crappy tactic).

The Occupy Movement went out of their way to cover this up... am I blaming the Occupiers for the rapes? No, I'm calling out the fact that the rapes happened, and the organizers went out of their way to keep the police from being informed and involved. Ditto for the anit-Semitic assaults being done by their members.

I had a friend who was part of the Occupy Wall Street movement that was forced out by the Black Block whom has taken it over. He was one of the ones who contacted the police about the rapes and the assaults that happened.

But he was ostraciszed by this action. And the fact he felt that setting up a 'rape-free-zone' was just insulting.. and creating their own little 'security force' to deal with these violations of decency and civil liberties was also horribly wrong.



The cases of bomb plots seem to involve anarchist groups that have aligned themselves with the Occupy movement. I have strong doubts that the mainstream Occupy movement condones terrorist attacks. Perhaps I need to do more research on this.

The majority of the Occupy Movement is not the problem, it's the steering organization known as the Black Block has taken the reigns of the Occupy Movement that is the problem.

The bombers whom wanted to blow up the bridges were key members of the Occupy Movement whom had been on the organzing committe that brought it to their home cities.

And there has been other acts of violence that I didn't even mention since i consider the ancharo-socialists whom protest the G8 meetings that routinely do so much property damage that most cities are doing everything they can to keep from being selected for it's meetings due to the outright violence that rarely gets reported about just how violent the mobs get that should be classified as a riot. but due to politics is never called as such.

History has shown that the majority of acutal Right-Wing Groups here in the United States aren't violent. And it's groups like the Neo-Nazis and Ayran Nation whom are labeled as 'Far Right' by groups like the Southern Proverty Law Centre that are violent. And those guys aren't really right-wing, since their political ideology is that of hate and subjucation... and can not be classified as either a Right nor Left-Wing political ideolgoy no matter how much the Southern Poverty Law Centre wants to...

Just like the New Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam, these Neo-Nazi/Aryan Nation groups are motivated by something other than the conventional Political ideological thought... or even any religious theological ideology, as we know or reconize them.

They are instead motivated from concepts of Racial Purity and division of citizens by the color of their skin. Blinded by their hate of someone whom is different than they are. It's just that simple.

Targan, if you are serious about doing the research, please drop me an email and i'll happily send you to some of the links to several websites that has been monitoring these kinds of hate groups.

Epsecially now that the New Black Panther Party has become increasingly millitant and calling for the ethnic cleansing of inner cities... and how the Nation of Islam leader has been making statements that they should get the New Black Panther Party to become a paramilitary 'police force' to provide security for exclusive communities that would be establiehd by the Nation of Islam.

I know quite a bit about these groups, because it's something that I spent alot of time reading about... because I had been working towards writing a thesis paper when i was in college so that when I went for a degree in the Social Sciences when i transfered to a four year college.

Heck, the majority of what i've mentioned here comes from open source news agencies that can easliy be found on the internet. And in many cases these statements about killing 'Cracker babies' and preparing for a race war comes from videos right off these groups own websites/newsfeeds.

Sorry to have hijacked the thread, but Targan took what i was saying totally out of left-field and made it seem as if I am a partisan racist. And the truth is that I am the furthest from either of those categories.

[Targan]

Thanks for the clarification, Nate.

Originally Posted by natehale1971

While the Occupy Movement has caused public health hazards, rapes, assaults and caught in the act of preparing to launch a bombing campaign on more than one occassion.

Perhaps you can understand my confusion.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Targan

Thanks for the clarification, Nate.

Perhaps you can understand my confusion.

Actually no... I can't. My statements were fact based, and easily confirmed or debunked with a single Google Search. the Occupy Wall Street movement allowed these things to happen 'on their watch' as it where, and they actively worked at keeping law enforcement personnel to do their jobs... not just to get justice for rape vicitms, but deal with the other crimes being committed at the various OWS encampments that was scattered all across the country.

But what really pissed me off is the accusation that i'm a biot and racist for making a statement of fact concerning the Southern Poverty Law Centre is a partisan organization that clearly makes it's classifications of 'right-wing' or 'left-wing' extemist groups a political issue... and that they are more often than not categorizing such hate groups as being 'right-wing,' even though the leaders of these same said groups routinely makes it policy to pressure their membership to vote for left-wing politicans.

[Targan]

I haven't accused you of anything, Nate. I'm sorry that you're pissed off. I think that if you want to continue this discussion with me we should move it to PMs.

[natehale1971]

This will be the last I talk about this, by your statement of the following...

I'm glad to hear that many far right organisations in the US are actually just touchy-feely groups of civic-minded veterans and senior citizens whose main concern is keeping their protest spaces clean. Oh, but not the African-American or Islamic groups. They're the bad ones. Is that about right?

...smacks of the accusation of racism and bigotry. And in the moments after the Boston Marathon Bombing we had the news presenters on the majoirty of the media networks saying it was 'right-wing' extremists. and as evidence started to come in, they were publically praying that it was a white right-wing TEA Party NRA member. And after it came out that it was radicalized muslims, the same said news presentors were saying that their radical islam ties didn't matter.

And the flippant way you made said statement was definately a slap in the face.

[.45cultist]

To be fair, I'd expect more left leaning militants in colleges than right wing. The nature of the beast. etc.

[bobcat]

people please learn to use the oxford comma and semicolons when making lists. it cuts down on much confusion and reduces the number of arguments.

after all there is a world of difference between "last night i went out with the strippers, JFK, and Stallin" and "last night i went out with the strippers, JFK and Stalin.

[simonmark6]

However, it looks so inelegant. I'll use the serial comma only when it is needed to avoid ambiguity, otherwise it can remain in its Oxford ghetto. I'm with Cambridge on this one, it should be avoided at all times unless, as illustrated in your example, it needs to be used for clarification.

Even then, I would strenuously urge re-writing the sentence rather than have such a downright mawkish construct in one's writing.

By the way, it seems strange to lecture people on grammar and then studiously avoid capital letters in one's post.

To summarise: Dark Blue Bad: Light Blue Good.

Death to serial commas!

[.45cultist]

I can mutilate several languages, not just the various English dialects.

[Raellus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_i1x...be.2WEUKWjJtRc

Although I really dig this song, I, personally, do give a **** about an Oxford comma.

[B.T.]

Originally Posted by Raellus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_i1x...be.2WEUKWjJtRc

Although I really dig this song, I, personally, do give a **** about an Oxford comma.

Dammit - video can't be watched in Germany because of some law-thing.

Oxford comma - what are you guys talking about? I did not know, that there are differing rules for punctuation in the English language. Hm, very interesting and quite disturbing ...

[simonmark6]

German doesn't use the serial, or Oxford comma. Basically, it is a comma coming before the co-ordinating conjunction at the end of a list. For instance:

I went on a tour of Germany, France, Italy, and Ireland.

Most of the time, it adds nothing to the sentence as it could be written:

I went on a tour of Germany, France, Italy and Ireland.

Without any ambiguity. The problem comes when the co-ordinating conjunction could be see as an apposition to the other elements of the list:

The interview included his two ex-wives, Nick Nolte and Kevin Bacon.

Without the serial comma, the sentence could be read to suggest that Nick and Kevin were the ex-wives. A solution to this is:

The interview about Mr. Thomas' life includedstatements by his two ex-wives, Nick Nolte, and Kevin Bacon.
Which removes any ambiguity.

Many style guides suggest that since it is sometimes needed to remove ambiguity, it should be used as a default but I would argue that you just re-write the damn sentence so that you avoid the ambiguity as you shouldn't have to rely on a comma to make your meaning clear.

The interview about Mr. Thomas' life included statements from his two ex-wives as well as his good friends: Nick Nolte and Kevin Bacon.

Personally, I dislike seeing the serial comma with a passion and along with using cliches, I tend to avoid them like the plague.