Best system tp use for Morrow Project

[cosmicfish]

Along time ago, I ran a TMP campaign using GURPS. Partly this was for the versatility and playability, but one feature that really drew me to it was the way the Project could be implemented using tech levels. In particular, the 3e Vehicles supplement offered a great play-balanved way of producing Project vehicles and seeing how they would fare against 20th century technology.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by cosmicfish

Along time ago, I ran a TMP campaign using GURPS. Partly this was for the versatility and playability, but one feature that really drew me to it was the way the Project could be implemented using tech levels. In particular, the 3e Vehicles supplement offered a great play-balanved way of producing Project vehicles and seeing how they would fare against 20th century technology.

I can understand that because on the surface, the Twilight: 2000 system does not seem to address any tech difference unless you're talking about the variation in 20th century technology. Even then, it doesn't really consider anything much more than vehicles and weapons. There's no real treatment of communications technology, aircraft tech levels, power generation or even medical technology levels.

However, if you use the Traveller: The New Era books, you get a much better treatment of differing tech levels while staying on the familiar turf of the GDW rules system. Part of the Traveller: TNE world history involves a devastating apocalypse that threw some planets back to more primitive tech levels, part of it is because the PCs can be expected to land on planets that have not advanced to the same tech level as the PCs.

[gbmaz]

I have recently become interested in doing a Cepheus Engine (open source Traveler) conversion. I was working on a conversion of Cepheus Modern (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...Cepheus-Modern) but there is now a guy on the Cepheus Engine Facebook group doing a conversion that is specifically geared to use with a Morrow Project of Twilight 2000 setting.

It looks interesting so far and he definitely "gets" Morrow Project and just wants a system that gives more than just a crunchy combat system.

Cepheus Engine has a small but strong community playing and developing for it. There is a crunchier conversions called Cepheus Modern War that is worth a look as well. It is really focused on small unit combat (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/304503/Modern-War).

Definitely worth a look. Cepheus Modern is "Pay What You Want".

[nuke11]

If anyone has this game from Task Force Games The Delta Force, it's rules, combat system and weapons can be directly used in TMP with very little modifications what so ever.

I was surprised when I realized that weapon's stats for Penetration directly match the E-Factor from TMP weapons. If you look at the stats for the weapons they are as detailed as TMP.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by gbmaz

I have recently become interested in doing a Cepheus Engine (open source Traveler) conversion. I was working on a conversion of Cepheus Modern (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...Cepheus-Modern) but there is now a guy on the Cepheus Engine Facebook group doing a conversion that is specifically geared to use with a Morrow Project of Twilight 2000 setting.

It looks interesting so far and he definitely "gets" Morrow Project and just wants a system that gives more than just a crunchy combat system.

Cepheus Engine has a small but strong community playing and developing for it. There is a crunchier conversions called Cepheus Modern War that is worth a look as well. It is really focused on small unit combat (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/304503/Modern-War).

Definitely worth a look. Cepheus Modern is "Pay What You Want".

I've had a very brief look at Cepheus rules and while I know it's based on the original Traveller rules, does it deal with tech level differences? I've never played any games that use the Cepheus Engine and while I think the system is pretty good, if it doesn't take tech levels into account, that's a deal breaker for me when it comes to using it for TMP.

[nuke11]

I haven't bought these yet, but they look interesting.

Doomsday Soldiers https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...=10134_0_0_0_0

Cepheus Atom https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product...=10134_0_0_0_0

[rob]

If the MP 4th rules weren't used, I would use the Harnmaster Core rules. Excellent for mundane things like negotiating, huunting, etc. Firearms and explosive rules would have to be developed. Easy enough though.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by rob

If the MP 4th rules weren't used, I would use the Harnmaster Core rules. Excellent for mundane things like negotiating, huunting, etc. Firearms and explosive rules would have to be developed. Easy enough though.

Rob, you may want to throw some questions at Targan (who is on the Twilight: 2000 forum). He ran a Twilight: 2000 game for some years using a Harnmaster set of rules updated for firearms. The system was created by Bill Gant and called Gunmaster.
His website is defunct now but it can still be visited at: -
https://web.archive.org/web/20080217...index.html#GMG

I tested a few of the links on the archived page and they still work so I am assuming that they all work. It appears that all the basic info you may want is on that page.
However, if you want to discuss it with someone who actually ran it, then Targan is the person you want to talk to.