Greece v. Turkey

[StainlessSteelCynic]

For those who pledged to the kickstarter, they will get access to the alpha release of the rules sometime in the near future.
While the intent is for some play testing and feedback so that they can tweak the system before printing of physical copies begins, perhaps there will be some background information included and hopefully that will answer a few questions such as this one?

[Olefin]

Actually Greece got almost totally ignored in V1 except for the short description of events in Med Cruise - they weren’t even included in the NATO vehicle sourcebook even though they were a NATO country - and frankly the defection of Italy is the one I really couldn’t figure out - especially the thrust into Austria and southern Germany. All they did in the end was get themselves nuked by the US and Great Britain. Just staying out of it like Spain and Portugal did would have been much more realistic

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

For those who pledged to the kickstarter, they will get access to the alpha release of the rules sometime in the near future.
While the intent is for some play testing and feedback so that they can tweak the system before printing of physical copies begins, perhaps there will be some background information included and hopefully that will answer a few questions such as this one?

There should be a lot of things answered - including the situation in the US which from what I have read is to put it simply not believable - and doesn’t take into consideration what the country actual was back in the 90’s - keep in mind for instance that CA was still a state in the 90’s that had Republican governors and Senators - a situation that is impossible today - so you have to be able to really know history to make the world situation realistic - that was a big part of the research I had to do for Kenya and East Africa and it paid off with comments from those who were actually in that area during the timeline period

[Raellus]

Tension on the water as well as in the air.

https://warisboring.com/turkeys-navy...-provocations/

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[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Raellus

Tension on the water as well as in the air.

https://warisboring.com/turkeys-navy...-provocations/-

"Greek" provocations...
Right....
Is that the same sort of "Greek" actions as the Turkish platoon which encamped themselves on the Greek side of the border just because the river marking it had moved?
Seems that barely a day goes past that Turkey isn't sabre rattling lately.

[Olefin]

Not often you see a discussion here that has someone in the regular media discussing it as well - thought I would link to it if anyone wants to read it

https://townhall.com/columnists/vict...point-n2575877

Not pushing any particular political point or view - just adding to the discussion

[ChalkLine]

I think it's far more likely Turkey sat out the NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict because they had a lot of local fighting to do in their own region, just look who they have on their non-Warsaw Pact borders and who their regional allies are and were.

Turkey's involvement in Cold War NATO was always extremely transactional and by the mid 1980s they were focusing on things away from the northern borders. I don't know if you guys know any Greeks or Turks, there's a big diaspora for both here, but the hatred they have for each other I've only seen equaled by the India-Pakistan thing. I mean, the Serb-Croat loathing doesn't get like this and that's jaw dropping.

Come the Twilight War you could expect those two to be like the problem the Nazis had with the Romanians and the Hungarians, they had to place German or Italian troops between them or they'd start killing each other in preference to fighting the Soviets. I'd say it'd take about twenty minutes into the war before the whole shitshow blew up again and they were clawing at each other.

[Olefin]

Greece withdrawing from NATO never made any sense to me in the context of either version of the game. Getting pissed off and going after Turkey ok - that I can see - the Turks started it after all. But basically signing the country's death warrant by going after the US Navy - that was dumb. Especially considering how exposed they were to attacks from Israel or the NATO nukes that were based in Turkey.

Having Turkey and Greece have their own little private war (especially after the Soviets nuked the hell out of Turkey and evened the odds) is a lot more logical