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Abrams: I don't care about logistics and I have plenty of maintenance guys |
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9 | 16.98% |
Challenger: Big & Bad but not quite as much hassle as an Abrams |
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10 | 18.87% |
Leopard II: Germany always builds the best |
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12 | 22.64% |
T-95 / FST: Yes, it looks stupid but it's the best the Russians have |
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1 | 1.89% |
LeClerc: it's nice to be neutral |
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0 | 0% |
T-80: ERA is cool |
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0 | 0% |
T-72: the Sherman of T2K, mediocre tank but there sure are a lot of them |
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6 | 11.32% |
M60/M48: My characters are from the National Guard and proud of it |
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4 | 7.55% |
Chieftain: "so, how much weight you think that bridge is rated for?" |
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2 | 3.77% |
Leopard I: hey'at least the armor is spaced. |
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0 | 0% |
Centurion: Love it, absolute favorite post WW2 tank, it should win the poll |
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3 | 5.66% |
T-62: 50's technology with soviet era build quality are any still running? |
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0 | 0% |
AMX-30: um I can't think of a reason (open to suggestions) |
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0 | 0% |
T-55: Most blown-up tank of the post WW2 period. |
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1 | 1.89% |
M-4: Sherman: Keeping it old, old, old school |
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1 | 1.89% |
T-34: Better than most 21st century AFVs in the same weight class. |
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4 | 7.55% |
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I agree, The Beast was a good film. I mentioned it on the old forum a few times. Lots of great Soviet-made gear provided for the film by Israel which had captured it during its various wars with its neighbours IIRC.
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Of course, if you make that a BMP-1 with an AT-3, the Missile can penetrate an armor value of up to 40 at a range of 3,000 meters, long before the Tiger would be able to get a hit on the BMP with its 88. |
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Btw - all British made tanks and AFVs from the Centurion onwards have had onboard BVs - that's boiling vessel or big kettle. The Army runs on tea
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"Also, many crews took advantage of the engine exhaust pipe laying along the top of the left rear fender by fixing a frame over it to hold a cooking pot that rested atop the (hot) exhaust pipe. The pot was normally used to boil a gallon or so of water, but could be used for other culinary purposes. " |
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I don't understand all the love for the Challenger. It's logistics support requirement isn't much better than the Abrams.
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If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives. Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect" Mors ante pudorem |
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If it moves, shoot it, if not push it, if it still doesn't move, use explosives. Nothing happens in isolation - it's called "the butterfly effect" Mors ante pudorem |
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I'm about as big of a fan of the M1 as you will find, but even I was a little perplexed by Australia's decision to buy M1s. Unless they always plan to use them while attaching themselves to the US's logistical tail.
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Won't that affect performance a bit? I'm not au fait with tank engines, but surely they'll need even more fuel using diesel then JP4? Or have I completely misunderstood relative fuel performances?
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Seems like a waste of a perfectly good (and expensive) tank to me, especially as they eventually managed to recover it and get it operational again. Is this a normal practice?
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![]() Umm Major sir... I ... umm got this million dollar tank stuck in mud ... so do you think it will affect my chances of promotion? Oh did I mention I got attacked by a regiment of T-72's and a battalion of infantry? Kewl... I get my promotion AND a medal now!! ![]()
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Otherwise the maintenance cost would be too much. Even for short distance marches a Company could see 4 to 8 of their tanks fall out from a March for repairs which can minor and performed by the M88(maintenance crew that following the company). Or they may need major repairs requiring Maintenance Platoon from the Battalion to fix. |
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It is a tank built to good for it the over all good of the force. Even M1s that have been disabled, you still have to commit resource to to remove the usable gadgets and parts off it, so they could used to repair other tanks. Then commit resource to remove the hulk and send back Lima for repairs or send to dispose of. |
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Somewhat off-topic, but I pulled out my copy of The Beast yesterday and started rewatching it. Then my 14yo nephew came and I restarted it so he could see it. He liked it
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Honestly, I'd have told their crews to wait there for recovery, left a squad or two of infantrymen to stand watch and set some demo charges just in case. What with allied total air supremacy calling for an evac if the Iraqis mounted a sudden counter attack would hardly have been out of the question. |
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The next thing is the entire supply was very expose. Leaving security force, was the logical option. With the man power and conserve the combat effectiveness. One has to remember the Land force was being stretch the entire march to Baghdad.
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I went for the centurion (if possible an israeli upgrade) as I love that thing. Otherwise, I would chose the Leclerc above the M1 (being nationalistic on that one) but, as a result, you'll need to supply trains (1 is not enough). For the AMX-30 there is a reason: it had a great engine but you only needed a can opener to stop it.
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I voted for the old M60/M48, I kind of like those tanks and wanted to give them a helping hand.
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I know that this forum is dedicated to tanks and the best therof...And I will probably be hounded for heresy for what I write next.....
I wish to propose a vehicle that is ofter overlooked and under appreciated.. I refer to the M35 2 1/2 ton truck. Both times I played T2K, I was involved with 2 1/2's. The one scenario I particularly remember, I was a member of the 30th Heavy Brigade, NC National Guard, sent to reinforce 7th Corps. Well, my job was in supply. Me and my gaming mates had to get the beans, bullets and bandages to the front line...wherever the heck THAT was... Our 2 1/2's were un-armored, and with the exception of one truck, un-armed. That fact helped keep us alive when the s*** hit the fan. We had one...count them..one M60 LMG...and our M16's and other assorted small arms when we were cut off from OUR unit on the way to the front. That lack of firepower kept itchy trigger fingers QUIET when we saw (or at least we THINK we saw ![]() IMHO...and the Sgt in charge of our little band agreed...DO NOT shoot at something BIGGER than you are...he might decide that you are small enough to KILL....NOW!!! |
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