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Well, I picked up the PDF last week and immediately set about getting a printed copy. I printed it all up at the office and bound it myself (splitting the content somewhat unevenly between 2 sets of pressboard covered binders). Leaving the office that day, I now had two lethal bludgeons at my disposal
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To the T2013 guys - Full respect I'm glad your doing a fresh t2k game. Why the hell not. Keep up the good work and don't pay attention to criticism that involves people having problem with fine print and faulty internet connections.... With repsect....Lets keep it civil guys not civil-war......
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You know, I've seen a review of the original T2K, about 20 years ago, using just about the same words and criticisms, in a Space Gamer magazine. Wonder if it's the same reviewer.
BTW, I'm looking over 2013 bit by bit as strength allows. It's surprising how quickly I get tired these days. I can do a little house-dusting and feed my guys (that's how I refer to my dogs as a group) and I'm wiped out.
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Didn't see his name mentioned in the summary. Greg Porter considered it "A tragic waste of 18 bucks". I guess I know not to trust his reviews blindly. The 18 dollars that constituted that expenditure probably gave me more enjoyment than any other dollar I ever spent. Hope you get your energy back soon Paul. |
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Hmm, something about that review just makes me think "I'm gonna wait and see for myself." Kinda like when people said Daniel Craig couldn't be Bond because he was blonde...
Twilight has always had its good and its bad points over the years, I'll wait to pass judgement on the new version til I can see it myself. Gimme a week or two and then I promise I'll tell y'uns what I like and don't like. I'm hoping for more on the "like" side of the chart. |
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hang in there man . hope you get more strength with the new year . |
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And echoing the good wishes to you Paul...hope you feel better soon...
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As an aside, there was this female lab tech who's come up every two days to get blood and urine samples when I was in the hospital. She was so excited the first time she came up -- she said, "It's snowing in Houston! It's snowing in Louisiana! I wish it would snow here!" I said, "Don't you remember when it snowed here in '86?" She said, "I was born in 1986." God I felt old...I was a 21-year old National Guardsman in 1986...
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Paul...you're not old...just "very experienced" (from a guy who has a sister who's a college freshman and a brother who's a sophomore in HS).
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Macho Women With Guns 1st ed by Greg Porter (1988) self-published 3rd ed (1994) BTRC 4th ed by James Desborough (2003) Mongoose Publishing I would guess they have a similar writing style, if one chose to republish the others work. Your memory may have been better than you thought Paul. |
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I read through the review, and the comments. Most of the comments were of the type that's so typical of the "shoot from the hip" thought patterns that permeate so many sites. People seem to be more interested in seeing themselves spout drivel than actually thinking about the meaning of their posts.
A couple of the comments did stand out, including the last one (at the moment) from Kevin O'neill. That name is SOOOO familiar, but I can't place where I've heard it before. I could have sworn he was a Twilighter from the old boards. Do any of you happen to recognize the name? |
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Here is a review at Drive through RPG. He says he discussed it on T2k forums but I dont remember the name and he is not on my MIA list. Last edited by kato13; 12-20-2008 at 12:12 AM. |
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Here it is in case anyone needs it. Thought I had an addition due to the explanation of pre term background skills being expressed two different ways, but they really are the same. (((9+Cog)-3) + (2*3 for Language)) = ((6+ Cog) +6 for Language) Have only scratched the surface of character creation but it seems interesting and certainly addresses some weaknesses of the older T2k system. |
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