Favorite Shotgun

[Legbreaker]

That depends on the weapon in question. I've handled (and own one) where that is physically impossible. The only way to unload without stripping the weapon to it's component parts is to cycle the rounds through the chamber and out the ejection port.

[sglancy12]

Originally Posted by jester

Actualy you can empty a tube from a shotgun without feeding them through the chamber.

Flip the weapon upside down, push the feeding lever up and depress the lever that holds the shells in place and pop, pop, pop, out come the shells pretty fast.

Shoot. I forgot about that. I just checked and yes, it worked on my Mossberg 500.

But you have to admit that this is a fairly clumsy operation, and it still only gets the shells out one at a time.

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing

[jester]

[QUOTE=sglancy12;18324]

Originally Posted by jester

Actualy you can empty a tube from a shotgun without feeding them through the chamber.

Flip the weapon upside down, push the feeding lever up and depress the lever that holds the shells in place and pop, pop, pop, out come the shells pretty fast.[/QUOTE

Shoot. I forgot about that. I just checked and yes, it worked on my Mossberg 500.

But you have to admit that this is a fairly clumsy operation, and it still only gets the shells out one at a time.

A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing

Then you're doing it wrong

You can do it one by one, but with a little practice you can hold the tong or whatever that part is down and pop pop pop, they come out with the force and pressure of the spring and fingers can be hit if you aren't careful. I will have to practice when I get home, I haven't even had my shottys out in a couple years let alone loaded or fired them.

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by kato13

Real life Politics aside (as they should probably be on this forum). IMO No one actor had more cool weapons in their movies than Arnold. The Long slide with laser, the M214, the Spas-12 to name just a few.

I did some calculus on the M214 couple of years ago and came to a resoult that IF a 200 ibs man would fire a M214 with normal .223 ammo he must stand in a somewhere 45 to 55 degrees angel to the ground. Movies have a tremendous inpact on players when they wish for weapons... Lasers, Gauss, Plasma for they specially designed T2k soliders... Sniper rifles with three barrels so they can shot with the best bullet there is for the best range there is and the weight is nothing more then for a M24.

Antenna

PS
Rant on Munchkintosis along players...
DS

[headquarters]

Find most munchkinesqe player with loudest demands - allow everything but be really hard on demanding accurate gear sheet.(Alot of work writing)
Then fudge an attack roll from NPCs and stray bullet to head w critical hit and instant death.Enemy then loots all gear and turns it against party .

aahhh...

Originally Posted by Antenna

I did some calculus on the M214 couple of years ago and came to a resoult that IF a 200 ibs man would fire a M214 with normal .223 ammo he must stand in a somewhere 45 to 55 degrees angel to the ground. Movies have a tremendous inpact on players when they wish for weapons... Lasers, Gauss, Plasma for they specially designed T2k soliders... Sniper rifles with three barrels so they can shot with the best bullet there is for the best range there is and the weight is nothing more then for a M24.

Antenna

PS
Rant on Munchkintosis along players...
DS

[Tegyrius]

I'm gonna be a big dirty heretic again and give props to Izmash's Saiga. Kalashnikov manual of arms and engineering. 8-round detachable magazine that's roughly the same profile as a 30-round AK-47 mag and only a bit thicker, so it'll fit in at least some ComBloc LBE. Felt recoil is, at least to me, appreciably lower than the other 12ga semi-autos I've shot. Some timeline fiddling might be required to make them available in the 1.0/2.0/2.2 Twilight Wars, though maybe not - I'm not sure of the exact start of production date but they were being built for export at least as early as 2001.

Barring that, Remington 870. Spare parts are everywhere and a pump gun sometimes will cycle stuff that will choke an autoloader.

- C.

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Find most munchkinesqe player with loudest demands - allow everything but be really hard on demanding accurate gear sheet.(Alot of work writing)
Then fudge an attack roll from NPCs and stray bullet to head w critical hit and instant death.Enemy then loots all gear and turns it against party .

aahhh...

Hehehe I know but there are times in your GM life where there only are Munchkins to get playing T2k. But a warning sign for that you have a munchkin in you group can be that you have a "normal" weapon pack is that it as follows :
M3 Carl Gustaf attached to a M214 with three laser forming the predator three sign and four sights fired either from the hip or the shoulder and said from the munchkin "It can be done"

Antenna

[headquarters]

and of course -that is his small gun..

We always debate and bicker about munchkinosis in our group.Mostly it goes well ,but sometimes the antimaterial rifles come out ..I had one PC use one .I said it had a 4 feet muzzle flash .It was night .He continued firing .The enemy taken casualties concentrated their fire on the area of the flash.

He took a .50 bmg to one arm and could not be found by medics in the dark.PC bled to death.

Not so many carrying the antimaterial rifle as primary weapon now..

A fine balance to keep up interest and still make a little realism...

Originally Posted by Antenna

Hehehe I know but there are times in your GM life where there only are Munchkins to get playing T2k. But a warning sign for that you have a munchkin in you group can be that you have a "normal" weapon pack is that it as follows :
M3 Carl Gustaf attached to a M214 with three laser forming the predator three sign and four sights fired either from the hip or the shoulder and said from the munchkin "It can be done"

Antenna

[Antenna]

Originally Posted by headquarters

and of course -that is his small gun..

We always debate and bicker about munchkinosis in our group.Mostly it goes well ,but sometimes the antimaterial rifles come out ..I had one PC use one .I said it had a 4 feet muzzle flash .It was night .He continued firing .The enemy taken casualties concentrated their fire on the area of the flash.

He took a .50 bmg to one arm and could not be found by medics in the dark.PC bled to death.

Not so many carrying the antimaterial rifle as primary weapon now..

A fine balance to keep up interest and still make a little realism...

The best with munchkins are that mostly lack all kind of social skills so if you blend in some social duality for example that NPCs lye every 2nd turn they munchkins are lost in a maze of cat and mouse of where to go and who to thrust. The best part is that if you can keep smiling you can really turn the munchkins head into some paranoid version of Kafka like game.

Antenna

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

I'm gonna be a big dirty heretic again and give props to Izmash's Saiga. Kalashnikov manual of arms and engineering. 8-round detachable magazine that's roughly the same profile as a 30-round AK-47 mag and only a bit thicker, so it'll fit in at least some ComBloc LBE. Felt recoil is, at least to me, appreciably lower than the other 12ga semi-autos I've shot. Some timeline fiddling might be required to make them available in the 1.0/2.0/2.2 Twilight Wars, though maybe not - I'm not sure of the exact start of production date but they were being built for export at least as early as 2001.- C.

If I had the budget for a new shotgun, I might go with the Saiga. The older I get, the more I appreciate the Kalashnikov approach to firearms.

My vote, though, is for the Mossberg 500. It's what sits in my gun safe and what goes to the range with me. I like simple and reliable, like my SKS and my .357 revolver.

Webstral

[Brother in Arms]

While I like many of the shotguns listed
my favorite shotgun is the Ithaca Model 37!

Here are its major benefits, It has fewer parts than most pump shotguns which means less parts to potentialy lose or wear out. It has all steel contruction, wereas the reciever and trigger group of many of the other shotguns have aluminum or plastic components (which are difficult to repair if damaged). It has only one openening in the reciever so its less likely to acumulate dirt and debris, the other benefit is the location of the loading/ejection port is that its on the bottom of the reciever making both the loading and ejection of spent shells ambidexstrous.Another feature of this firearm is that it has no disconector meaning that the trigger can be held down and the forend pumped and it will continue to fire you send 5 rounds down range really fast. Like most other pump shotguns it has an easily removed barrel and they can swapped for longer or shorter barrel lengths.
I also really love the asthetics of this shotgun, it has smooth clean lines and it handles very smoothly and comes up on target well. It is also a fairly light weight shotgun.

It does have a few drawbacks...the majority of these shotguns can only chamber 2 3/4" shells so you cant use 3" magnum rounds, lessening the ability to use found ammo. That being said 2 3/4 are most common especially in the T2K period. Also doesn/t have many accesories which is not something I really see as a drawback. As I like keep it simple but then again if anything I am pretty old fashioned.

If I was toting an model 37 it would probably be the 20 riot model, with a nylon M14 sling. If I could I would aquire #4 buckshott which contains 28 pellets of .24 caliber diameter. If I couldn't aquire that 00 or 000 buckshot.

(as for saiga 12 importation to the US I had one imported in 2000 but I don't think this shotgun would exsist in t2K)

[Raellus]

I've got my eye on a 6 shot Mossberg 500 tactical with pistol grip and CAR-style adjustable stock. Now if only I can convince my wife that it's a good investment...

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

While I like many of the shotguns listed

BIA! Good to see you posting again man.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Raellus

I've got my eye on a 6 shot Mossberg 500 tactical with pistol grip and CAR-style adjustable stock. Now if only I can convince my wife that it's a good investment...

I envy you guys living in places with less restrictive gun laws. Here in Oz even pump action shotguns are a no-no. Ridiculous.

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Targan

I envy you guys living in places with less restrictive gun laws. Here in Oz even pump action shotguns are a no-no. Ridiculous.

Here, the NRA would have us believe that if we don't all become lifetime members (of the NRA), the Democrats in charge of [insert a) White House b) Senate c) House of Representatives d) governor's mansion e) state legislature f) two or more of the above] will follow the example set by the UK and Australia. It's a shame that the two extremes of the private firearms issue can't come to some agreement, as both sides have some things to offer and some baggage in need of shedding.

Here in the People's Republic of California, the state has a list of features that classify a weapon as an assault weapon. When the legislature realized that banning specific firearms was futile (renaming a firearm is easier than amending a law to include a re-named firearm), they devised a list of features that includes a pistol grip, a detachable magazine with a capacity greater than ten rounds, a bayonet lug, a flash suppressor, and a folding stock. Any weapon with more than one of these features is considered an "assault weapon", which is not to be confused with an assault rifle. Owning an assault weapon is a felony. There are plenty of ways around this, though. For instance, one can build an SKS with a muzzle brake and a monte carlo stock and have the option of leaving the bayonet lug intact. I really don't see the need for a bayonet lug in the civilian world. That's why God made the .357.

I'd love to go back to Arizona as a gun owner, though. Or Texas, or Nevada.

Webstral

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

(as for saiga 12 importation to the US I had one imported in 2000 but I don't think this shotgun would exsist in t2K)

The Saiga would exist in T2K, but would probably not be found outside of Soviet, Polish, and Czech military hands (barring capture, of course).

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Targan

I envy you guys living in places with less restrictive gun laws. Here in Oz even pump action shotguns are a no-no. Ridiculous.

In Texas, gun laws are very lenient compared to the rest of the country, but the mentally ill (like me, dammit) still can't get one!

The thing about "assault weapon" laws is that they are usually drafted by the anti-gun lobby. I'm pretty left-wing politically and I think the anti-gun lobby is rabid. (I also think the NRA is rabid as well, to be fair.) Given the right circumstances, I could kill someone bare-handed or with my feet, should they be declared "assault weapons?" Everything could be an "assault weapon" -- you just have to know how to use it.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Webstral

I really don't see the need for a bayonet lug in the civilian world.

Because using a bayonet is more satisfying?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Because using a bayonet is more satisfying?

I like how in training we were told that if your bayonet get stuck in the victim, shoot them to dislodge the bayonet. One should do that as a matter of course...

[waiting4something]

My favorite shotgun of all time is the USAS-12. I have not shot mine yet, but it is one heavy and solid piece of gear. I had a Saiga 12 didn't like it at all, it felt cheap and was not reliable like the ak rifle as everyone thinks it is(atleast in my findings). The USAS-12's only fault as of right now is its weight and bulk, but with that it won't kick that much I bet. It looks kinda like a M16 on steriods. It can take 10 round mags or 20 round drums and some sources say it had at one time 12 round mags and 28 round drums. The military versions are selective fire with a 360 rpm rate of fire(mines not).
I do realise that a shotgun like this is really only good for limited roles and you wouldn't wanna be humping all over the place with it. I think the best shotgun to have for practical reasons or if the world went to hell is your basic pump shotgun though. They can eat all that low base crap, work dirty, and don't need lube. For pumps I like my 590, but a 870, 1300, or 37 are good pumps too.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

The military versions are selective fire with a 360 rpm rate of fire(mines not).

Yet.....

[waiting4something]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Yet.....

Oh how I wish.

[Raellus]

I had to channel Civero but I finally broke the wife down. After four years of pleading, I'm getting my Mossy tomorrow!

[Owen E Oulton]

I had to vote Other... The Atchisson AA12 Assault Shotgun seems to be the ultimate shotgun to me. I mean take an oversized M-16which fires 12 ga. full auto from a 20 round drum! Nasty, nasty, nasty. I've been a fan ever since I saw it in 1st ed. TMP. I just worked out T2K stats for it last night...

[Legbreaker]

You had me up until M16....

I have to admit though it is a very cool weapon (inspite of it's M16 resemblance). Any shotgun capable of firing a bucketload of rounds very quickly without having to reload half way through can't be bad.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

You had me up until M16....

I have to admit though it is a very cool weapon (inspite of it's M16 resemblance). Any shotgun capable of firing a bucketload of rounds very quickly without having to reload half way through can't be bad.

It's not really an oversized M-16. The designers just used the exterior design, and most importantly, the controls to take advantage of the muscle memory that US troops already have.

[pmulcahy11b]

How about a 6-barrel rotary CAWS?

[simonmark6]

Only if it's belt fed...

[HorseSoldier]

12 Gauge buckshot already weighs a ton and takes up a bunch of space as is, without tacking links onto it . . .

[jester]

Just make it hopper fed, that simplifies things.