Scruffy Weapons

[General Pain]

[General Pain]

This was built out of 3" ID, 5" OD steel tubing, 1026 or something like that. It shoots dogfood cans full of concrete with amazing range and inaccuracy.

[WallShadow]

Originally Posted by General Pain

This was built out of 3" ID, 5" OD steel tubing, 1026 or something like that. It shoots dogfood cans full of concrete with amazing range and inaccuracy.

Looks pretty, but I'd bet even the 2" thick framework would become kindling under sustained fire. (I'm imagining its Civil War ggg-grandpappy version) As it is, I'd bet it's not extremely portable due to weight--just guessing, though. I'd try to make it twice as thick and put metal reinforcement bands anywhere I could.

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This is great research general - I always try to find pics of weapons adn vehicles,manned positions etc that have a PA/ scruffy look to them .

But now for the main part - actually putting these into design docs and posting .

There are a few of these under the Improvised/homemade guns in our firearms section.

I would love to see them all in there .

[General Pain]

Originally Posted by WallShadow

Looks pretty, but I'd bet even the 2" thick framework would become kindling under sustained fire. (I'm imagining its Civil War ggg-grandpappy version) As it is, I'd bet it's not extremely portable due to weight--just guessing, though. I'd try to make it twice as thick and put metal reinforcement bands anywhere I could.

I think I read that the framework got destroyed after the first shot.

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maybe not homemade but still they ARE scruffy.

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These photos are apparently of a Palestinian using some sort of homemade grenade launcher. It looks like it could be a 40mm grenade in the barrel, or maybe some type of 40mm less/non-lethal grenade like round, such as tear gas.



It appears to work by striking the firing pin (a drill bit) with a stone. I would not want to be within 200 yards of somebody firing that weapon.


Russian VOG-25 40mm Grenade
Russian VOG-25 is one of their designs that keeps the propellant and essentially the chamber as part of the projectile, not unlike a Gyrojet.

[General Pain]

Old stuff from the 20s&30s but still have the scruffy look to it.

TOP: Model 1887 10 gauge "riot gun"
MIDDLE: Remington Model 11 "sawed-off"
BOTTOM: Bonnie's Remington "Whipit" gun


This sharp looking reproduction of a Barrow Gang "Whipit" was found
on Paco Kelly's Leverguns.com readers forum. Posted by rangerider7.
Model weapon displayed is a 1911 Remington Auto 5, 12 gauge shotgun.

Frank Hamer Jr. with some Barrow Gang recovered weapons

Photo source: stills from Larry Buchanan Documentary - "The Other Side Of Bonnie & Clyde"


Top left - Bonnie Parker's 20 ga. semi-automatic shotgun
Top right - Barrow's B.A.R. from Beaumont, Tx. National Guard Armory Heist
Bottom left - Barrow's 10 ga. Winchester lever action
Bottom right - Frank Hamer's special twenty shot Remington .35

The Late Marie Barrow Scoma

Marie once demonstrated her own handling of the Browning automatic



The Winchester Model 1887 10 ga. riot gun, a "rare"
lever-action model.

[General Pain]

Clyde was said to have cut down the stock just past the buffer tube, shortened the
barrel of the B.A.R. and welded together three 20 round magazines to make it a 57 round
capacity. (causing the loss of three rounds, due to the weld marks between the magazines).

However, the theory of welding together three magazines would have not only placed the
magazines at an ackward angle, but the internal springs would no longer have the ability
to properly feed the rounds into the gun's chamber. Nevertheless, this weapon, with
the barrel shortened was a deadly combination. Image below shows a replica image
that I had created on the computer, showing how the scattergun would have looked
had it been possible.

[General Pain]

Clyde had several of these homemade "scatterguns"

[General Pain]

http://www.personalarms.com/schematics.htm

[Spec6]

I was working at a plastic Factory as mantance in 2004 and they post a notice If caught with anything that could be used a weapon you will be fired .
The company got mad at the Maintance dept because we refused to open our tool boxs that day the notice was posted .
Human Resorces Called the Dept into a meeting and threanted to write us all up when the maintance Foreman took the Pen from the Human Resorce manager and put it to his Neck and told him " All I need to do is add 10lb of Presure with the pen and I can kill you with it ".
And he remind the HR Manage that all 5 of the 1st shift maintance people were combat vets and knew how to kill someone with things other then knifes and firearms . That sign was taken down 20 min's later and replaced with a sign about FireArms or knifes over 3 inch long .

[General Pain]

Originally Posted by Spec6

I was working at a plastic Factory as mantance in 2004 and they post a notice If caught with anything that could be used a weapon you will be fired .
The company got mad at the Maintance dept because we refused to open our tool boxs that day the notice was posted .
Human Resorces Called the Dept into a meeting and threanted to write us all up when the maintance Foreman took the Pen from the Human Resorce manager and put it to his Neck and told him " All I need to do is add 10lb of Presure with the pen and I can kill you with it ".
And he remind the HR Manage that all 5 of the 1st shift maintance people were combat vets and knew how to kill someone with things other then knifes and firearms . That sign was taken down 20 min's later and replaced with a sign about FireArms or knifes over 3 inch long .

LOL....

[HorseSoldier]

Recovered somewhere in Afghanistan, if the internet story is correct.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Spec6

I was working at a plastic Factory as mantance in 2004 and they post a notice If caught with anything that could be used a weapon you will be fired .

We had a First Sergeant like that at Ft. Stewart. One day during a barracks room inspection, he was raising hell in our room because of a Swiss Army knife he found the drawer of one of my roommates. Luckily the XO stepped in at just the right time and said, "First Sergeant, that's not a weapon. It's a tool. I have one in my pocket right now." Our XO was a Mustang that was a really good officer, and said what he said in such a tone of voice that the First Sergeant didn't say another word -- he just left the room. (And our First Sergeant was a scary guy.) And we never heard anything about Swiss Army Knives or multitools again -- which is good, because most of the company probably had one in their pocket.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by General Pain

You know General, now you did it. You're going to have me madly scrambling through my weapons books because I can't quite put my finger on what that is off the top of the head! Damnit, I'm already mentally ill -- you're not helping one bit...mumble, mumble...

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by General Pain

That's not scruffy -- kind of pretty, actually.

[Olefin]

Was doing some research on homemade weapons for Africa and came across this - figured it would fit in right in this thread - its from a small weapons survey from the late 90's in Burundi

Some craft weapons are produced in Burundi, where they are known under the generic name of mugobore. These locally made rifles consist of a metal barrel inserted in a piece of wood. The design is particularly crude, with a metal stick held by a rubber band that serves as a firing pin, and another metal stick used to eject the spent cartridge. The effective range of such rifles,
which are usually heavy and cumbersome, does not exceed ten meters. They can function with cartridges for automatic rifles,such as Kalashnikovs.

The main areas of production are the provinces of Bujumbura Rural, Bubanza, and Cibitoke, in the northwestern corner of the country.

Sounds like an interesting way to make an improvised weapon for your campaign

[Rockwolf66]

I'm surprised that no one has linked to Improguns yet.

Improguns