Body Armor in T2K

[natehale1971]

Anyone know where you can find the Body Armor worn by the armies of each nation?

[ArmySGT.]

In their Armories?

[natehale1971]

lol.

i'm looking for pictures of the various body armors, and their names. sorry i wasn't more clear.

[B.T.]

And now for something completely different ...

Do the CVC-helmets act as body armor, or are they meant to prevent crewmembers to knock their heads against roofs, hatches and so on?

What is the amor value in game terms (ver 2.n)?

[Medic]

I think the crew helmets should have some armour value, but mainly against blunt damage like falling on your head/something falling on your head or being hit with something non-piercing/non-edged.

The Bloc-style sausage-cap would probably have AV 1 against blunt damage, while hard helmets would possibly provide AV 2.

Just my two cents on that.

As for the armour values of other armour, the v. 2.x has very mucha simplified version of body armour - partly okay, partly not. Also, the AV provided by the armour (at least in the Finnish translation of v.2.2) is not consistent with real life as flak-jacket and a ballistic vest provide the same AV, as do the steel and kevlar helmets. Of course, in case of helmets it can be debated, whether it matters - steel helmet is penetrated while kevlar helmet is dented to a degree that can cause actual damage to one's cranium, unless the kevlar helmet suffers a catastrophic hit, in which case the round goes through or even through and through.

[B.T.]

@ Medic: agreed!

I was thinking of the U.S. style CVC-helmets, that have been in use with several allied forces, Canadians for example.

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by B.T.

I was thinking of the U.S. style CVC-helmets, that have been in use with several allied forces, Canadians for example.

Well for the Canadians use your google fu and type clothe the soilder, should be able to find all the info you need

on a side note in Twilight 2000 the Canadian would be using a mixture of the Old Vietnam Steel Helmets and Falk Jackets and the US PASGT Helmet and Vest, IRL Canada purchased a small number of US PASGT for use by troops deployed on UN Duty, this ammount grew (as our UN Contingent in Yugo grew) until Canada made own body armour sometime in early 2000-2001, it deployed with PPCLI to Afghanstian

Canadian also made a load bearing vest with inserts for balastic plates, so you be wearing our PASGT Vest and the your load bearing vest with plates inside overtop. Speaking from experince, it a pain to put on and off. I much prefere the new system

[B.T.]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

... use your google fu and type clothe the soilder, should be able to find all the info you need
...

Hm, Google sais: The newer cranium plates are made from Kevlar, which implies: The first issued were not.

When were the newer ones fielded?
Are - in the ver.1 or ver.2.n timeline - U.S. style CVC helmets suitable to protect the head of a wearer from bullets and fragments, as the PASGT "Fritz" is/was?

[Medic]

Not answering the question at hand, I'll contemplate on the NIJ ratings vs. Twilight 2k AV-points.

NIJ Type I would be pretty have an AV of either 0 or 1 (more probably 0, as it would probably stop only .22 and .380 and is no longer part of the NIJ-standards).

NIJ Type II would be AV 1 (should be able to stop .357 Mag, especially with a trauma plate).

NIJ Type III would be about AV 3 (rated to stop 7.62mm NATO M80 Ball round at 847 meters per second).

NIJ Type IV should have AV 4 (rated to stop a .30-06 AP round).

I'll edit in the special ammo next - just want to save what I've written so far.

[Odie]

[QUOTE=Raellus;36473] Apparently, kevlar has a bit of a half-life. After about 5 years, the fibers start to deteriorate, apparently making the vest less safe.QUOTE]

I knew there was a shelf life, I didn't know the time frame. When I worked at the Sheriff office we had our vests inspected yearly. They never told us what the expiration date was.

[Antenna]

I got armor and ammo file.

www.ludd.ltu.se/users/antenna/
"The Odd End" to right menu bar
then
"Gamerelated" to left menu bar

Good Luck Gents

PS
those who has problems with the info start a new trhead called "Antennas Ammo"
DS

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Odie

I knew there was a shelf life, I didn't know the time frame. When I worked at the Sheriff office we had our vests inspected yearly. They never told us what the expiration date was.

From what I understand of it, the 5 years is a 'safe' shelf life based upon the manufacturers guarantees of five years from date of manufacture. This can be drastically shortened if Kevlar items are not maintained correctly, if they are not stored properly and even if they are subject to unusual levels of everyday 'wear & tear'.

Proper storage includes keeping them out of direct sunlight (or other sources of UV radiation), only folding them in the proper places, keeping them free from grit, solvents etc., not subjecting them to extreme temperatures or unusual levels of humidity and so on. For example, I read of one Arizona police officer's experience that the temperature and humidity they 'suffer' in Phoenix lowered Kevlar vest life expectancy to just 2-3 years under normal wear & storage.

They can and will last longer if given the proper treatment/storage but this needs to be strictly maintained (and this seems to be only a year or two longer, it's not like 10-15 years or anything like that).

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Medic

Not answering the question at hand, I'll contemplate on the NIJ ratings vs. Twilight 2k AV-points.

NIJ Type I would be pretty have an AV of either 0 or 1 (more probably 0, as it would probably stop only .22 and .380 and is no longer part of the NIJ-standards).

NIJ Type II would be AV 1 (should be able to stop .357 Mag, especially with a trauma plate).

NIJ Type III would be about AV 3 (rated to stop .44mag or .30 Carbine (pistol) at point blank range.

Hard Plates

NIJ Type IV should have AV 4 (rated to stop 7.62 NATO /a .30-06 AP round from 100 M or greater).

I'll edit in the special ammo next - just want to save what I've written so far.

There fixed it for you.

[Medic]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

There fixed it for you.

Cheers, sarge.