T2K survival..RV style

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Check out "Panic in Year Zero"; I think you can find the whole thing on Youtube. It's an older one, but good.

[.45cultist]

Ray Milland did a good job with "Panic in the Year Zero". I'd recommend looking at the conversions of U.S. and Canadian M109 shop trucks online. RV and travel trailers would need to learn convoy tactics pretty quick or be deep in the woods if staying in place.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by kato13

Admin Note: Merged the two threads.

Thanks, Kato.

I knew this thread was out here...somewhere...

Like I said, my Goggle-fu was very weak last night.

More on the rabbit hole later. Got to go to work.

My $0.02

Mike

[mikeo80]

I told you that I would take you farther down the rabbit hole...

SO here goes.

Now, we left out intrepid escapees with about 10 - 14 days of food, water for four people.

How do we fix this scenario.

IF these good folks are not really preppers but are thinking about the future, one idea is small, out of the way storage sheds. Public Storage Company says it has the largest selection of units. So if our travelers had planned ahead, had a (relatively) secure site picked out, they could have pre-placed extra dried food, weapons, ammo, clothing, etc. Now if you have a 5 x 5 unit, the ceiling is eight feet high. That gives you 200 cubic feet of storage. I bought a 90 day supply of dried. Two boxes, about 2 x 3 x 2. 12 cubic feet. The math starts to make some sense.

Now, lets go down the rabbit hole a little more.

The family just visited uses the RV quite a lot. They visit parks, historical sites. They make sure the RV stays above 1/2 tank of gas, 1/2 tank of clean water, and the dirty water is as empty as possible. Maybe 7 days of food. With such high mobility, you can not have a storage unit in every spot you visit. How would you solve the problem? I see maybe keeping within a 400 mile radius of a few storage units? Expensive. You could loose a lot of investment if the balloon goes up. Any other thoughts?

Again, trust me. I do have an ultimate end to this rabbit hole. Still have not seen a White Rabbit. But I DID glance up and see "something" white down here.

I need to rack out early tonight. VERY early appointment tomorrow. Followed by work. Whooopppeee!!!!!!

My $0.02

Mike

[.45cultist]

I think the maintainance rules gain importance to civilians with these. The early seasons of "The Walking Dead" had a cantankerous 1970's RV. But a rough rule of thumb to use with RVs and travel trailers is when the potable water needs refilling, the black and grey water(if separate) will soon need to be emptied.

[mikeo80]

Yes, Alice, we are going to chase the rabbit. At least for a little while longer.

SO what is the purpose of all of this discourse?

In about 15 months, I am VERY actively planning to retire. I have worked since I was 13. I'm done.

One of the options I am investigating is living in RV permanently. Many of the concerns I have are emergency supplies. Since it will probably only be my self wander the highways and byways of the USA, I only have to plan for myself.

SO I put here some of the thoughts and concerns I have. I am very interested in seeing other thoughts and comments you have.

My $0.02

Mike

[CDAT]

I live almost full time in a 1980 24ft RV, I say almost as I do spend some time visiting with family and stay in a spare room or on the couch then. For one person there is plenty of space for most thing. One thing to look at that I wish I had is a bypass to the propain tank so you can use other tanks and save your onboard tank.

[.45cultist]

could someone retrofit one of the bottle adapters for large immobile tanks? That also adds one more item to scavenge. I started looking at the T2013 vehicles and T2K2 special ops sourcebooks . Also the net has data for decades of specs. I'd like to include more such items in the game.

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

could someone retrofit one of the bottle adapters for large immobile tanks? That also adds one more item to scavenge. I started looking at the T2013 vehicles and T2K2 special ops sourcebooks . Also the net has data for decades of specs. I'd like to include more such items in the game.

Simple answer, yes. It would not even be that hard, just a simple adaptor.

[.45cultist]

I've been looking at the 1995 models, since they could be used for both my games. I noticed one specifically mentioned solar adaption. I'm starting to make notes.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by CDAT

I live almost full time in a 1980 24ft RV, I say almost as I do spend some time visiting with family and stay in a spare room or on the couch then. For one person there is plenty of space for most thing. One thing to look at that I wish I had is a bypass to the propain tank so you can use other tanks and save your onboard tank.

You are the person I need to talk with! I am thinking along the same lines, live in RV, but visit others from time to time. Do you travel a lot? Or stay settled in a few selected areas? If this is too personal, do not answer, are you alone or with someone? I am thinking about doing this alone. Thoughts?

Any hints or guidance would be appreciated!!

My $0.02

Mike

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

I've been looking at the 1995 models, since they could be used for both my games. I noticed one specifically mentioned solar adaption. I'm starting to make notes.

If you do not mind, forward a link about this!! Interesting possibilities!!

My $0.02

Mike

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

You are the person I need to talk with! I am thinking along the same lines, live in RV, but visit others from time to time. Do you travel a lot? Or stay settled in a few selected areas? If this is too personal, do not answer, are you alone or with someone? I am thinking about doing this alone. Thoughts?

Any hints or guidance would be appreciated!!

My $0.02

Mike

Single, with no dependents, and like I said live in a 24ft RV so just under 200square feet. It is an older RV so it does not have a lot of the nice features that new ones have, seeing some of the new ones with their pullouts and such look almost as nice a house. Most of the time I stay in one place, but like to have the option to move whenever I want easily. The biggest things that I would suggest is make sure it has AC and the gas bypass for your propane tank. You may think that you do not need AC, up here in western Washington there have been many a day that I get home from work and it is 120 in side but only 70 or so outside. If you do not have AC you will need to make sure you park in the shade and keep good air flowing. As for the bypass you can just use the onboard tank but then every time you need to refill you have to move the unit, not as big as issue if you are traveling a lot but if you set up some place for some time nice to be able to just use a smaller tank and fill it keeping you main tank full. If you are going to be where it is cold (below freezing) you need to make sure you have a way to insulate you water hose, most common way that I have seen is simple pipe insulation and some heat tape. I have been where it is as low at about 8 degrees F for extended time and that work fine for me.

[mikeo80]

Thanks for the great info, CDAT!

I am currently looking at a 26' based on a Ford truck frame. Still in the planning/wishing/wondering stage, but definitely on my list..

My $0.02

Mike

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

If you do not mind, forward a link about this!! Interesting possibilities!!

My $0.02

Mike

I was looking up Airstream, I could use it's retro look in Dark Conspiracy as well. If you see a model you like, you can type it's name with "specs" added and get the data on it. I lean towards travel trailers, but there are RV's too. If properly done, PC's will treat it like a tank, with the pros and cons that go with it. I'd use some device like an NPC to emphasize the hot showers, AC, powered devices.

[.45cultist]

While statting the travel trailer, one thing occurred to me. Using travel trailers or RV's, notice if the players get careless emptying the black and grey water tanks! You then get to role on the disease chart if they draw water close by. Also, I don't believe that Paul Mulcahy has anything to fear when it comes to equipment generation. This makes me appreciate his T2K "Janes" all the more!

[SionEwig]

I saw this thread and it jogged some thoughts I'd been having involving such items for another PA scenerio I've been working on.

Back before I retired w would on occasion use RVs (self propelled and travel trailers) for part of our base camps, often in some pretty remote locations. With careful driving and often going very slow, we could usually get them over extremely rough roads.

Something else to think on, especially in the early days of a PA scenerio, is how often you see RVs hauling other vehicles or cargo trailers. Also it's not a big deal to see multiple bicycles on a rack or even a dirt bike or two strapped on a RV.

For some possible inspiration and possible ideas you may want to read through these two blogs about folks doing multi year trips in RVs. One is a converted early 70s VW bus and the other is a 1985 Toyota Dolphin.

http://bodeswell.org/

http://www.followthewind.net/

I've got some additional ideas, but I need to organize my thoughts.

[.45cultist]

I'm working on descriptions and studying the T2K2.2, T2013 RV's and Travel trailers, if I reverse the T2013, I will give credit to them since they did the hard work.