To Fortify? That is the question...

[stormlion1]

I generally make scenario's up with my own home terrain in mind but sometimes its good to get an idea what would be doable in a different set of terrain and factors. For me the soil is both sandy and good for some types of farming like Corn, Tomato's and Potato's and with some work, Blueberries and lots and lots of Pine for firewood and building. Even plenty of deer out there to hunt as well as other small game. Snowfall isn't really an issue but flooding? Yeah a definite issue as the water table is pretty close to the surface. Take a shovel and dig down a foot and it will fill with water slowly but surely. So even dropping a well in the ground is a relatively easy task.

[robert.munsey]

That is if those M9 ACE hydraulic hoses would stay in operation.....

Originally Posted by kato13

According to this

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...102/Ch6.htm#s3

a trench 40233.6 Meters (25 miles) by 1.5 meters by 3.5 meters would take 2 M9 ACE 603.504 hours to complete.

Since the formulas are for anti tank ditches I would assume that number would go higher if you are on anything other than smooth ground.

Base fuel usage for the M9 (109 per period*), two of them working for 603.5 hours would be ~32891 liters of diesel.

* Source: http://www.pmulcahy.com/tracked_engi...les/us_tev.htm

[robert.munsey]

You would not have to. Everyone here is forgetting what we did in Baghdad in 2007, we fenced the whole entire thing off with Alaska Barriers, and sub divided the city to keep them from killing each other. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Baghdad_crackdown


In this case you would make the walls large and then you would not have to have a large set of guard towers.

Now the wall versus someone attempting to get through. The basic line is that they will always get through, it just takes effort, will and patience.
However you take in the force (police or internal intelligence) that monitors the actions of the people. They will know if someone new comes in. People usually do. They know the new ones in the neighborhood and who does not belong. So you do not necessarily have to wall off the city, just make it hard to get in and once you are in, well you are an outsider....and outsiders are not well liked in a T2K setting. They are most of the time viewed as a threat.

Now what most people forget on the old wall and siege warfare in the capability of the force inside has the capacity to counter attack. If the force inside the wall looses the capacity to 'sally forth' and counter attack. then this is where things go downhill for those inside the wall.

Also my vote is for walls as they are much easier to build then a dry moat. Like the others have pointed out, first it could be debris, then hesco/gambons, then maybe cement walls.

Also think defense in depth and a reaction force. If the initial barrier is a series of little walls (belts) then this also allows the counter attack force time to react and plan.

Just my two cents
v/r
Muns

Originally Posted by kalos72

Without giving up too much data...

32k diesel is roughly one days production at this point in the story line...I am ok with that.

The next questions is manpower.

What good is a fence that isnt patrolled or monitored?

Assume a guard tower every 500-1000 meters over 25 miles would be 40-80 towers. Two people per tower at all times? Thats like 100-150 people per shift...3-4-5 shifts? And that will not count active patrols within the perimeter or at guard posts/gate guards and such.

Ouch.