Somewhat OT: ultimate IFV

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

Yeah, well someone has to put Americans to work. It been one of those things that has amazed me during the last 8 years how many factories that we allowed to closed. Instead of keeping people in work to build up the military. We have in many cases reduced the military even though they can barely keep up with the current missions they are tasked with, let alone other conflicts that we could be dragged into. We sit here and wonder why nations such as Iran, North Korea and to extent Russia have out right ignore us.

JMHO.

They ignore us due to a combination of our lack of being able to project an real military power outside of Iraq and Afghanistan, our ineffective educational system, our neglect of the sciences and the space program, and the fact that most of the rest of the world owns us through our national debt. We're no threat anymore.

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

The vehicle itself is little more than the current tank chassis minus tank turret. Wonder how long it would be before they had made this vehicle with the consideration that they have been using Merkava tanks at times to move fire team size infantry units into the field. One would think that the US and NATO would look and follow the example since the have they most experience in armor warfare since the end of WWII. Yet, that another story....

Yeah, well someone has to put Americans to work. It been one of those things that has amazed me during the last 8 years how many factories that we allowed to closed. Instead of keeping people in work to build up the military. We have in many cases reduced the military even though they can barely keep up with the current missions they are tasked with, let alone other conflicts that we could be dragged into. We sit here and wonder why nations such as Iran, North Korea and to extent Russia have out right ignore us.

JMHO.

i fully agree. but then again maybe we could afford to do national defense a good turn if we could get rid of some of the blatant waste on the hill. for starters pass a law where no congressperson may make more than the lowest NCO in the military. that would save a ton of money quick.(or i'd get a raise.)

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by bobcat

i fully agree. but then again maybe we could afford to do national defense a good turn if we could get rid of some of the blatant waste on the hill. for starters pass a law where no congressperson may make more than the lowest NCO in the military. that would save a ton of money quick.(or i'd get a raise.)

It wouldn't be a bad idea to only give foreign aid/loans/hand-outs to those countries that support the US by deed....as for the rest...

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

It wouldn't be a bad idea to only give foreign aid/loans/hand-outs to those countries that support the US by deed....as for the rest...

That would leave many countries out in the code including most who benefit the most.

I agree out people who we send to represent us should be paid a livable wage. I can tell you for those of us on fix income getting the news that there was COLA increase this year because there was no inflation, well then it just my imagination that everything has raised in price over the last year and prices are only going to raise... Or if they had to live on Federal Min. Wage and raise a family that would be raised quickly too...oh well.

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

They ignore us due to a combination of our lack of being able to project an real military power outside of Iraq and Afghanistan, our ineffective educational system, our neglect of the sciences and the space program, and the fact that most of the rest of the world owns us through our national debt. We're no threat anymore.

They ignore us right now because they our military is spread too thin. Yeah other factors have been well documented that we have fell behind in, but that because many of these can be fix if the Congress and the Federal Government would look after us and not padding their pockets and their special interest groups that paid for their election.

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

That would leave many countries out in the code including most who benefit the most.

I agree out people who we send to represent us should be paid a livable wage. I can tell you for those of us on fix income getting the news that there was COLA increase this year because there was no inflation, well then it just my imagination that everything has raised in price over the last year and prices are only going to raise... Or if they had to live on Federal Min. Wage and raise a family that would be raised quickly too...oh well.

There is a major difference between people in real need and certainly no grips from me for that!!!

What really chaps me is the countries that get loans, grants, military aid to support regimes that, at best, make Hitler and the Nazis look reasonable. Or my personal favorite a certain middle east country that took in rather large grants for "education"....and channeled it right to certain "groups". Sort of like your tax dollars going to support the jerks that are killing our own troops.

Our government at work....no wonder so many of the basturds are getting voted out!

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

There is a major difference between people in real need and certainly no grips from me for that!!!

What really chaps me is the countries that get loans, grants, military aid to support regimes that, at best, make Hitler and the Nazis look reasonable. Or my personal favorite a certain middle east country that took in rather large grants for "education"....and channeled it right to certain "groups". Sort of like your tax dollars going to support the jerks that are killing our own troops.

Our government at work....no wonder so many of the basturds are getting voted out!

Yeah I know what you mean. Ironic we kept a certain Dictator in power in Panama until his force happen to step over the line and kill Marine Officer. Of course, it was decided by those in Washington that he should be removed.

I always got a laugh how they labeled it an invasion, especially when we most of the units from say the 5th Mechanized Division and 7th Infantry Division had already be sent into country to boost our presences there. The two brigade of the 82nd, the Rangers, Delta, SEALS, and other misc units that got to the party late were just a major reinforcement of forces already there...

[dragoon500ly]

Yup! US Foreign Policy can best be described as short-sighted and generated by blind, deaf, and stupid monkeys...and for comparing monkeys to the State Department, I humbly apoligize to monkeys everywhere!!!

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

Yup! US Foreign Policy can best be described as short-sighted and generated by blind, deaf, and stupid monkeys...and for comparing monkeys to the State Department, I humbly apoligize to monkeys everywhere!!!

As you should for everyone in the military beside newly minted O-1 out of the Academies knows that even blind, deaf, and stupid of monkey can negotiate in better deals for the US than most people who they have working in the State Department......

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

They ignore us right now because they our military is spread too thin. Yeah other factors have been well documented that we have fell behind in, but that because many of these can be fix if the Congress and the Federal Government would look after us and not padding their pockets and their special interest groups that paid for their election.

I forgot about our esteemed government. The last election was the first major election I didn't vote in -- I normally even vote in the minor local elections -- because both the Democrats and Republicans disgust me, along with President Obama. I couldn't see anyone to vote for or against -- they're all the same.

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I forgot about our esteemed government. The last election was the first major election I didn't vote in -- I normally even vote in the minor local elections -- because both the Democrats and Republicans disgust me, along with President Obama. I couldn't see anyone to vote for or against -- they're all the same.

Yeah you got that right. Both sides are just as crooked. Sad thing is with many issue it the small details they blow out of proportion for the public to dwell on. Oh well.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

We're no threat anymore.

I wouldn't say that. You're still pumping out those AWFUL sitcoms!

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I wouldn't say that. You're still pumping out those AWFUL sitcoms!

Well, when those blind, dumb and mornic monkeys retire from the State Department, they have to go to work somewhere...and why not in the most Communist country in the world...California!!!

[Abbott Shaull]

LOL... Oh well. Yeah the monkeys can't go on the welfare roles after they are fired...

[dragoon500ly]

I have family who made the choice to live in...California...in San Francisco...and to send their daughter to be educated at....Berkley....

Poor kid has three strikes against her already...to live in the most Communist country in the world...to live in the city that bans smoking in any form, to to mention McDonalds Kid Meals, pet shops, gun shops, has restrictive gun laws that turns New York City green with envy...to have inflicted the worst House Majority Speaker in recent memory...and she is was educated at the sillest university in the world....

And then she pulls her latest out of the hat! After picking up her BS in Electrical Engineering, she enlists in the US Army...and has just been commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant in the Signal Corps...and she asked her favorite uncle to pull his old Class A uniform back on and to be there to help pin her butter bars on...

GO TEEN REBELLION!!!!!!

[Abbott Shaull]

Wow what an interesting path...