Olefin's Twilight 2000 Universe thread

[Olefin]

Well if MilGov really wants to win the war, then three TLAM-N Tomahawks are the way to go! So much for Ploesti continuing to give the Soviets any more oil. (Course the Romanians wont like it much that we just popped three nukes on the soil of one of our own allies - but I dont think by 2001 MilGov would care too much about keeping the Romanians happy)

[RN7]

This is really good Olefin, please continue.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

How are they hauling all this stuff on the sub? Even down to 2/3rds crew, there's not exactly acres of cargo space onboard.

[Olefin]

She would be making room for cargo by:

1) most of the submarine spare parts she was carrying were electrical parts and parts for the reactors - we arent talking a new screw, we are talking fire control equipment, wiring harnesses, various control units, valves, etc.. . Same with the parts for the tanks - most of the parts were small ones of various types, plus track pads, a few sprockets, some roadwheels, lubrication oil, etc.. plus the shells.

2) the weapons for the Romanians were loaded in Israel in exchange for Israel having access to the data from the Russian scientists and for information on Reset - thus they only had to be carried for a short distance instead of all the way from the US

3) she only loaded enough food and consumables for a short mission instead of a long patrol - she had to get more food and consumables in Israel along with the weapons to be able to finish the mission

4) off-loading the torpedoes, harpoon missile and spare parts in Israel and the tank spares and shells in Yugoslavia gave her just enough room for the weapons for the Romanians - thats why they had to go in the sequence as described

I.e. she didnt have enough room to carry everything from Norfolk to Yugoslavia to Israel to the pickup then to Portsmouth and home, which was the orginal mission profile before they found out about the Russian SSBN - she had to count on being able to offload stuff in Israel to have enough room for the weapons needed for Romania, which had to be loaded in Israel, plus be able to load enough food in Israel as their wasnt enough space at Norfolk to load food for the whole mission

its one reason they didnt have a full crew - they had to leave some behind and run reduced normal shifts to be able to fit everything aboard including the characters - our characters got nominated, for instance, to do most of the cooking and other grunt jobs as the crew who normally did that were left behind

[Olefin]

Now to get the rest of the timeline catching up to where the players were

March 5, 2001

California

The 177th Brigade (OPFOR Brigade) out of Fort Irwin and the 40th Infantry attack the Mexican 1st Brigada’s position near Edwards Air Force Base in the first offensive against the Mexicans in two years in California.

Norfolk

The 1st Armored Division, along with 600 replacements from Omega and 800 new recruits fresh out of training leaves for Texas to reinforce the units near Brownsville and begin the offensive to retake the Gulf Coast and drive the Russians out of San Antonio. In Texas the Port Isabel Refinery is about to begin production again of refined products.

To add power to the division every operational helicopter that MilGov has at Norfolk is sent to create an Aviation Brigade for the 1st Armored. A total of four AH-1 Cobras, three AH-64 Apaches, five UH-1, three UH-60 and the CH-47 that evacuated the rear guard at Bremen are sent. In addition they have loaded ammo and weapons for the helos, plus every tech and spare part they could find.

Memphis

A single survivor of the two platoons of the 197th sent to investigate what is going on in the Ozarks returns back to friendly lines telling of being attacked from the air by a dirigible and ultra lights.

Maryland/Virginia

The 38th Infantry Division begins an operation to clear out marauders and other groups near Harpers Ferry and in the Shenandoah Valley so as to put that area under MilGov control again.

Korea

The USMC, in order to consolidate the logistical troops and free up more combat manpower, combines the three USMC divisions in Korea into two. The 16th Regiment of the 6th Marine Division joins the
23rd Regiment of the 4th Division, bringing the 4th to 1000 men and thirteen M60A4 tanks. The Marines have also started their own boot camp to train some 900 sailors whose ships have been sunk or damaged beyond repair into Marines.

The Army, looking to streamline its own forces, combines the 25th and 45th Infantry Divisions, with the resulting 25th Infantry Division now having 2600 men.

Poland

The XI Corps, having survived the winter, begins to make plans to attempt to get back to Germany. They have made contact with the III Corps HQ that stayed in Germany. While they know they are stuck in Europe for now, at the least they can be with fellow Americans in a NATO country instead of cutoff in an enemy country.

[Olefin]

March 10, 2001

Mississippi River Valley

The 278th Armored Regiment drives north from Memphis to pacify the area between Cairo, Illinois and Memphis and link up with the 194th and establish a fully pacified zone between Cairo and Memphis, routing a marauder force of 60 men in its first battle along the way.

Pennsylvania

The 28th Infantry expands its zone of control in PA to include Lancaster County, linking up with various militia and MP units in the area. A small force from the 28th is dispatched westward to investigate rumors of a large supply cache in the area.

California

After five days of fighting the Mexican 1st Brigada has been defeated, withdrawing to the southwest towards LA as the 177th Brigade links up with the 40th Infantry just south of Edwards Air Force Base.

March 14, 2001

The 1st Armored Division is in Texas and is in the process of converting its vehicles to run on gasoline and diesel again as refined products are now available. The other units there have already converted their vehicles.

New England

Two US destroyers conduct operations against the UBF, sinking or capturing ten of their fishing boats and armed trawlers as well as conducting a bombardment of his base at Nantucket, setting fire to the buildings. Carlucci escapes injury but many of his trusted lieutenants are killed.

Pennsylvania

Power is partially restored to the York defence plant and operations begin there again, initially on the Bradley and M8 lines only.

[Olefin]

March 16, 2001

West Virginia

The 38th Infantry Division takes Harpers Ferry, securing the only bridge across the Potomac in that area, and then going on into Bolivar, where much to their surprise they find a large force of marauders, who they immediately engage. Early in the fighting they capture two school buildings and find that they have been converted into huge supply dumps, full of weapons, ammunition and other items. Most of the enemy gives up quickly, but around eighty men retreat into bunkers and fight hard.

New Jersey

The 78th Division, now reinforced with troops from Omega, begins operations to secure the approaches to NYC, sending in small patrols into the city itself to assess the current situation and to try to locate the missing cache of gold lost in the city during their disastrous pullout. They make contact with the Duke of New York and the New York government in the Bronx.

March 17, 2001

West Virginia

The 38th captures Bolivar after a hard two day fight, using artillery and TOW missiles to blast the remaining enemy bunkers and strong points. Some 500 enemy troops are either killed or captured in the fighting, along with huge amounts of fuel, ammunition, food and equipment.

Two gas stations in town are captured intact with their storage tanks having over 18,000 liters of ethanol and 50,000 liters of methanol fuel. Another 4000 liters of methanol is in an above ground tank. In addition two small storage tanks have 1000 liters of aviation gas and 2500 liters of diesel fuel. A total of three large stills are taken intact as well.

Of three major depots in the town, two are taken intact and one is heavily damaged. They contain tons of food, a dozen light anti-tank missiles, six 82mm mortars, 300 mortar shells, five recoilless rifles, 100 HE shells for the rifles, twenty light machine guns, and some 1500 M16 rifles, many of them brand new, as well as tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition. In addition there are dozens of crates of grenades, mines and other hardware as well as communication gear and other items.. Three converted armored bank cars are captured intact as well as over fifty trucks of various types and ten Jeeps. Clearly this was a major supply center, one that rivals anything that MilGov or CivGov still has left in the US.

As well as the supplies the town is a gold mine of information. Large amounts of documents on New America and its forces in West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Ohio are collected. Most importantly, the Colonel in charge at Bolivar, who was taken alive and given a choice between twenty years hard labor if he talked or a slow hanging if he didn’t, gives information on the location of supply caches and depots. He also discloses, after a long and painful interrogation, that Carl Hughes, who has been on the most wanted list of the FBI for several years, is the leader of that force and that his HQ is nearby close to Charles Town.

A force of two battalions is sent immediately to where Hughes is to capture him, while the 38th licks its wounds and resupplies itself. From what they have found, New America has almost 7,000 men under arms in the immediate states, mostly organized in small company sized units. Many of them are men with no military experience but there are many renegade National Guard and Reservist troops who have joined them. Some thirty men from among the captured, found to be AWOL National Guard, reservists or active duty military servicemen, are executed by hanging after the battle.

March 22, 2001

West Virginia

Battle of Country Home

The two battalions of the 38th assault the New America HQ. Using the information obtained from Bolivar they manage to infiltrate both above ground houses and grab Carl Hughes, who is asleep in his bedroom, then penetrate into the underground complex before the alarm is sounded. After the alarm sounds, a deadly close in fight breaks out, with the men from the 38th outnumbering the defenders. The 38th eventually takes the whole complex, killing or capturing all in it, including many top New American commanders and supporters.

They find a veritable treasure of food, weapons, supplies (including a huge supply of paper). Large amounts of operational computer equipment including several mini mainframes are found. Most importantly of all the HQ center in the building was taken intact with the computer mainframes holding vital information on New America and its dispostions and plans. The New American commanders responsible for their destruction did not issue orders to destroy them, as they could only come from Carl Hughes himself, and thus they were not destroyed.

Information found includes information on enemy dispositions, supply caches and activities, including information on operations in Maine, Florida and the Ozarks, as well as complete files on New America operatives within MilGov and CivGov. With this information, the scale of the New America forces and plans is completely laid bare to see.

Later historians will compare this find to the British and Poles breaking Enigma or the US breaking the Japanese codes during WWII in terms of an intelligence find.

This all comes at quite a price – of the 600 men sent in to get Hughes and take the complex, 75 die and another 150 are wounded in some way or another, many seriously. Luckily the complex infirmary was also taken intact and is quickly put to use.

Illinois

The 278th Armored Cavalry Regiment arrives near Cairo, completing its mission. To the south, the 197th sends a new group, this time clandestinely, to find out more about what is going on in Arkansas after the failure of the two platoons to do so.

Texas

1st Armored has completed preparation of its vehicles, all of which are now ready to run on gasoline again. The first objective is to destroy the Soviet and Mexican forces dug in at Harlingen. The 85th stays behind to guard the refinery as the 43rd moves out to secure the McAllen and Rio Grande City area. The 4th and the 1st move north toward Harlingen.

[Olefin]

March 24, 2001

Maryland/PA

3rd Mechanized, having left 600 men behind to guard Fort Meade, begins a drive on Hagerstown from Frederick. The 28th Infantry Division, reinforced by militia from Harrisburg, sends forces west from Carlisle to secure the area around Chambersburg and effect a link up with the 3rd after it has taken Hagerstown.

Yugoslavia

The commander of the 42nd Infantry Division, after receiving the MilGov offer from the DIA agents dropped by the USS Corpus Christi, including promises of resupply for his forces from Israel, cuts ties with CivGov and joins MilGov. He also arrests the staff of the IV Corps and seizes control of most of the the supply and ammunition dumps for the 80th Infantry Division. He sends messages to both the 76th and the 80th, telling them that CivGov has abandoned them and that the only real chance they have for completing their mission and getting home again is with MilGov.

Texas

The 49th Armored Division and 95th Infantry Divisions prepare to move southward into northern Texas in conjunction with the drive in southern Texas. In Louisiana the 98th Division is preparing to move as well in support.

2nd Battle of Harlingen

The Mexican and Russian forces in the area, numbering 800 men and four BTR’s from the remnants of the Brigada San Luis Potosi, the Brigada Tampica and a Soviet regiment of Division Cuba, are hit from the air by helicopters, then the ground. The fight rapidly turns into a rout, with the 43rd heading for McAllen and the 1st and 4the heading north for Raymondville, reaching it by nightfall of the 24th. The US takes less than 50 casualties while the enemy force is annihilated, either killed or captured except for a few men who escape on foot.

West Virginia

The 38th is attacked by several companies of New American troops at Bolivar. The attacks are uncoordinated and supported by only a few mortars. Clearly they didn’t expect their enemies to be trained experienced troops, and in the numbers present at Bolivar. They beat the attacks off easily with minimal casualties while NA takes nearly 400 dead, wounded and captured.

[natehale1971]

You could also use Nuclear Aircraft Carriers (both fighters & helicopter) as fuel carriers... all the fuel tanks for avgas can easily be used to carry other forms of fuel since they don't have as much aircraft to keep feed. they also have huge hanger decks that can be used as cargo holds if they aren't carrying fighters. these nuclear powered vessels would be worth their weight in gold since they are still capable of going long distances with the only resuppling they needed would be food. they can create their own water, and even could become the power supply for entire cities.

[Olefin]

March 26, 2001

California

The 177th Brigade attacks Mexican marauder forces near Victorville as the 40th Infantry, after clearing out Lancaster, continues its attack into Palmdale. Mexican Regular Army troops in the area are giving ground, as they withdraw to positions in the mountains north of Los Angeles.

A reorganization of forces in California begins as the 89th Corps is folded into the 63rd Corps, with its supply and headquarters troops being integrated to free up men for frontline duty. The 91st Infantry Division is integrated into the 46th Infantry Division along with militia reinforcements to bring the 46th up to 2000 men. The 49th Military Police Brigade and the 221st Military Police Brigade are joined together into the new 106th Infantry Division, along with some 900 militia, to bring it up to 2500 men, with the two Brigades remaining as seperate parts of the new division. Large scale preparations are being made for an offensive against the Mexicans and recruitment and training efforts in California are beginning to pay dividends to bring US forces back to strenth.

Arizona/New Mexico

In Arizona and New Mexico, preparations have begun to retake the areas lost to the Mexicans.

In Arizona, the 158th Infantry Regiment is reactivated in Flagstaff, Arizona. Its 600 men include militia, Battery Yuma, a battery of three prototype 155mm howitzers that were at Yuma Proving Grounds and a sprinkling of police, National Guardsmen and Border Guards. Its only armored vehicles are four modified bank armored cars and a single M50 Ontos from a civilian collector with two 106mm recoilless rifles added to it. Two of its four infantry companies are horse soliders.

In New Mexico, the 200th Infantry Brigade has been formed from the surviving members of the National Guard, reinforced by some 500 militia from Santa Fe. It has 1500 men, along with the SCV Battery of the 202nd Field Artillery (three 105mm, one 155mm) and what is left of the 7-200 ADA Battalion (five Chaparral, eleven Duster). Four of its companies are cavalry.

It is deployed just north of what remains of Albuquerque, which was destroyed when Kirtland Air Force Base was hit by an 800 kiloton surface burst during the TDM. It ruins have since cooled down sufficiently to move thru its ruins.. That strike and its after effects served to help stop the Mexican invasion from getting to Santa Fe in 1998 as the prevailing winds dropped radiation south and southeast of Albuquerque, preventing the Mexicans from crossing that area due to the high residual radiation at the time.

Texas

The 43rd enters McAllen after dispersing a group of Constitucionales that had taken over the town from the 50 Brigada Tampica infantry that were left in town. The commander issues a proclamation that promises amnesty to any who worked for the Mexicans who were American citizens and that as long as they will not take up arms that any refugees can stay for now. In the north elements of the 1st encounter Bandera Rodriguez near Kingsville. They dig in and wait for the rest of the 1st to join them.

Nuclear attack on Romanian oil facilities (from the end of our Med Cruise campaign game)

Earlier in the war the US had used smaller nuclear air bursts to try to keep civilian casualties down among their allies, the Romanians, which had resulted in the survival of some of the Ploesti oilfields and refineries. This time MilGov isn’t concerned about civilian casualties, instead they want to knock Ploesti out once and for all.

The three Tomahawks launched by the Corpus Christi arrive on target, all detonating one after the other, spread out to achieve maximum destruction of the surviving refineries and oil fields around Ploesti, completely destroying them along with 42nd Guards Tank Division and the 97th Motorized Rifle Division. The only survivors of the two divisions are a detachment of some 180 men from the 42nd along with four tanks in Constanta.

The three 150 kiloton bursts, detonated only 100 feet off the ground, combined with the sustained winds of 20 mph from the north that day, send a huge cloud of debris, dirt and burning oil downwind, full of radioactive fallout. The fallout plumes from the three blasts extend into Bulgaria, with Bucharest covered in fallout of over 10 rads per hour.

Hundreds of thousands of Romanians and Bulgarians die or are sickened by the fallout, which hits without warning due to the breakdown of communications in the area caused by the war. The attack devastates both countries, with large areas of the countryside poisoned by fallout for years to come.

For the Soviets the attack is a catastrophe. The destruction of the Ploesti oil fields means the end of any more gasoline, diesel or aviation gas for their forces in Eastern Europe, crippling any further operations there. For their forces in the path of the cloud, their filters for their NBC equipment either long ago used or sold on the black market, the effects are devastating.

Except for 80 men of the 32nd Air Assault Brigade, who escape in their helicopters, every man of the 14th Tank Division and the 32nd Air Assault Brigade sickens and dies from radiation poisoning over the next few days. The Soviet forces that remain are spread out, with several low on fuel. In the coming days Romanian partisans, reinforced by the weapons recently received from the Americans, begin to attack all those units in a bid to finally reclaim what is left of their country.

[Olefin]

by the way the attack on Ploesti and its after effects is what our GM gave us as our debriefing at the end of the mission - as he said if the US wants to win the war then you don't do it with just supplies to guerillas

[kato13]

Was there any thought as to how the Soviets might respond to these three warheads. I know the Soviet options are limited, but canon had the 3 SLBM surviving to this point and 13 small nukes in Spetsnaz hands so it is possible.

Given the tit for tat nature of prior nuclear exchanges I can see the soviets doing something in response. Hard to think of an equivalent target in ravaged Europe, but I am sure there is something they would want to remove from the table.

[Olefin]

The SLBM were part of the next module we played and were dealt with there. Plus remember that MilGov was going for a win here to knockout the Soviets in Eastern Europe totally - and the SLBM warheads werent known to them until after the papers were given to them by the Romanians

He had us play the game from Challenge magazine where the Soviets tried to use one of those nukes and will talk about that later. We rolled up some different characters and did Kings Ransom and its after effects and he included that in the campaign.

One problem would be is what to hit. There are very few targets they can get to with those small nukes. And communications within the Soviet Union are so bad that communicating what happened to Ploesti to the right people might take some time, let alone figuring out if there is any target left worth expending your few remaining nukes on.

As my GM looked at this is MilGov going for the ability to say they won the war. Nuking Ploesti, gutting two Soviet Armies, denying them the last gas station in Europe and helping the Romanians get back their country (even at the cost of nuking a lot of it) - thats how you win a war, not just arm a bunch of guerrillas and hope that somehow they can beat a bunch of Soviet divisions that have gasoline, diesel, aviation gas and working helos and planes.

[Olefin]

Sorry for the long delay - between losing a job and finding one and then looking for a new place to live and living in hotels I havent had much time lately for Twilight 2000 - but finally getting back into it

here we go again

March 28, 2001

Korea

The 8th Army receives orders from MilGov to prepare to embark the newly consolidated 4th Marine Division and the 5th Marine Division along with the remnants of the 1st Marine Air Group and their aircraft for movement to CENTCOM along with the 900 “boots” being trained as new Marines. Fuel for the shipping and escorts needed for the movement of the Marines has just arrived from CENTCOM, along with aviation fuel to allow the USAF forces in Korea to begin limited operations again.

In addition, in exchange for fuel delivered to Taiwan, the 8th Army receives 40 M41D light tanks, 10 M60A3 TTS tanks and 20 V-150S armored cars as reinforcements, along with some spares to get 10 M109 SPG’s operational again. The armored cars are split between the 26th Infantry Division and the 163rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, with the M41D tanks being split evenly between the 7th, 25th, 26th and 41st Infantry and the M60 tanks going to the 2nd Infantry Division, giving those units a much needed boost of armor to increase their combat effectiveness.

Yugoslavia

After a four day standoff, including a foiled attempted assassination by CIA advisers, the 80th Infantry Division changes its allegiance to MilGov. The 76th, for now, remains loyal to CivGov.

Maryland/PA/WV

The 3rd Mechanized and the 28th Infantry link up in Greencastle, PA destroying several small marauder and New American groups encountered in the area. In western PA a supply cache is found by a scout party dispatched by the 28th along with information on six other caches in PA, WV and NY. A large force with trucks escorted by two Bradley AFV's and several armed Hummers is dispatched to retrieve the material, which includes five fully armed and operational Bradley AFV and ten FAV's.

In York the first two vehicles come off the restarted assembly line and are ready for acceptance testing, two Bradley AFV’s, the first new military armored vehicles produced in the US since late 1998.

Norfolk/Colorado Springs

An urgent conference of the Chiefs of Staff on the information gathered from New America concludes after two days. The scale of New American operations in the US is immense and General Cummings has concluded that they represent as big a threat, if not more so, than the remaining Mexican and Soviet forces on US soil. Their operations in Florida and the Ozarks are especially of concern.

General Cummings immediately orders the arrest of some 500 New American operatives identified in the papers who are in MilGov units and organizations in the US and overseas. He also orders that an attempt must be made to warn CivGov of how badly penetrated their own units are, especially the 108th Infantry Division, and of the threat that New America constitutes.

California

The incorporation of Jacques Littlefield’s private museum and armored vehicle repair facility in order to provide armor for the 6th Army begins to bear fruit as a flow of fully operational vehicles begins to arrive to various units. Besides ones that were already operational, others that were previously demilitarized have been made operational using gun barrels, breeches and other parts salvaged from other non-operational or destroyed vehicles in California.

A composite mechanized battalion joins the new 106th Infantry Division, consisting of a scout company with six assorted armored cars, a tank company of five tanks (a Conqueror Heavy tank, a Centurion Mk13 tank, two ex-Israeli Sherman tanks and a Patton M47 tank), a mechanized infantry company with a M113A1 FSV and six assorted armored personnel carriers, a self propelled artillery company with a FV433 Abbot M105 SPG, a Sexton SPG armed with a 105mm howitzer and an M37 105mm Howitzer Motor Carriage, an engineering platoon with three assorted recovery vehicles, and an HQ section with a Saracen Command Post vehicle and an Israeli BTR 40. The addition of the battalion brings the 99th up to 2700 men total.


The 106th is preparing fuel and supplies to join the offensive that has begun north of Los Angeles against the Mexican occupation forces.

Two other tanks from the Collection, one M60A1 and one M60A2, are being sent on tank transporters to join the 40th. The skilled techs there are working on several other non-operational tanks and vehicles of various types, using the facility which is unique on the West Coast in its ability to repair and recondition tanks and armored vehicles.

Texas

The 1st Armored enters Kingsville after effectively destroying Bandera Rodriguez. In San Antonio the Russian commander of Division Cuba is fending off constant partisan attacks as word of the advance of the 1st reaches the area. The losses the division has taken to US forces in the last few weeks have stretched their remaining forces to the breaking point.

[.45cultist]

My old 1st Ed. campaign had a slow resurgence of airborne/ air assault using the airship plans from "Airlords", since most formations wound up light infantry anyway. Mortars were popular, their rounds could be dropped from the airships or supplied to the troops.

[Olefin]

In my campaign the GM had more armor - but no unit was armor rich to say the least - he used the forces that MilGov and CivGov had available to them and interpreted the canon data with some changes to make his own world - one where the troops brought home were used against both the domestic enemy - New America - and the remaining foreign threats on US soil. As well as used hints in the RDF and Kings Ransom as to what was about to happen in Iran as well in the spring and summer of 2001.

And you will see how Airlords factored in.

What I thought was interesting is that my GM when we were playing had us doing a group in Iran and CENTCOM got reinforced there from Korea which allowed us to bring in characters who had fought there. Then what do I find out looking thru the archive - that Frank Frey in his notes was saying that there was supposed to be an evacuation from Korea of US forces to CENTCOM that they never got to release. So my GM's guess at the future of the canon in Iran while we were playing was better than he thought.

[kalos72]

Love the work Ole...really!

One problem I have always had is, the fact that we say we went through all this stock of armor in the war? Or are these numbers wrong maybe?


Overall Notes On US OOB

Note 1: US Equipment Holdings (included National Guard and Reserve)

This represents a compilation of equipment holdings from a variety of sources. In addition, it is likely the US held significant quantities of older material in war reserve.
Tanks: 2374 M1 Abrams, 894 IPM1, 2100+ M1A1 (deliveries ongoing), 5328 M60A3, 2659 M60A1, as many as 1800 M48A5 , 1334 M551 Sheridan, 630 M47s (stored in Italy – this one surprised everyone after it was revealed in the CFE declarations.)
AIFVs: 4955 M2/M3 Bradleys (deliveries ongoing – 600 odd M2A2/M3A2 delivered in FY89)
M113 Family: (per Jane’s 1992) 16,000 M113 APCs, 1950 M106 107mm SP mortar, 950+ M125 81mm SP mortar, 4000 M548, 5000 M577, 3300 M901 SP TOW, 1000 M901 FIST-V
SP Artillery: 2,400 M109A2/A3 155mm SP (likely significant quantities in storage), 1046 M110A2 203mm SP
Towed Artillery: 1000+ M198 155mm towed howitzers (possibly fewer?), 526 M114 155mm towed howitzers, 150 M119 105mm (UK Light Gun), 1100+ M101, M102 105mm towed
MRL: 373 MLRS (deliveries ongoing)
Surface-to-Surface Missile Systems: 65 Lance launchers (more in storage?)
Air Defense: 400+ I-Hawk, ~300 Patriot (deliveries ongoing), 30+ Avengers (deliveries ongoing), 600 Chapparal SP, 31 Roland (in storage), some Pedestal Mounted Stinger (deliveries ongoing), numerous Stinger, Redeye, 360 M163 20mm Vulcan SP, 220 M167 20mm Vulcan towed, 300 M42 Duster twin 40mm SP (NG only, phasing out)
ATGM: 7700 Dragon launchers, 7400 TOW Launchers (not sure what this includes)
Fixed Wing Aviation: 28 RU-21, 148 OV-1B/C/D, 30 RV-1D (plus numerous light transport and utility types)
Rotary Wing Aviation: 1041 AH-1F/S Cobra, 535 AH-64A (deliveries ongoing), 1840 OH-58A/C, 74 OH-58D (deliveries ongoing), 340+ OH-6A, 950+ UH-60 (deliveries ongoing), 3200+ UH-1B/H (likely more in storage), 212 CH-47B/C, 240 CH-47D (deliveries ongoing), 71 CH-54 Tarhe heavy lift (NG only), 20 EH-1H Quick Fix I, 20+ EH-60A Quick Fix II (deliveries ongoing)
Special Operations Aviation: (as of end FY88): 2 UH-60A, 45 MH-60, 34 MH-6, 20 AH-6, 23 UH-1, 16 MH-47 (D?) (on order, being delivered?, 51 MH-47E, 23 MH-60K)
Other Equipment: 2625 M88 recovery vehicles, 1,100 AVLB

[stilleto69]

Kalos - are you using the numbers from the NATO Order of Battle 1989? If so remember those number are for a OTL force reduction, not the V1 version of a longer Cold War. IMHO - the US could have built more vehicles and had more equipment.

[kalos72]

Yeah, NATO OoB 1989...

OTL?

[stilleto69]

OTL - Our Time Line.

[Adm.Lee]

I wanna know what happened to the 630 M47s in Italy in T2k timeline!

Did the Italian government seize them when they joined the Pact? Were they under guard? Where were they?
Did the It. army put them to use when they ran out of their 1st line tanks? 630 is about 2 divisions' worth-- new formations or refitted old ones?

I have a small soft spot for them, I once built a model of one, and there is one in a museum near my city that I have yet to visit.

[Olefin]

For that matter what happened to all the M47 tanks that Iran has?

Iran got 400 and they still have 168 that are operational as of today. But there is nary a mention of them in the RDF. Shouldnt there be a few still operational there - I doubt they lost them all.

It actually should be a very common tank on the Twilight War battlefield - you would have had the following countries that could have operated them

South Korea, Iran, Iraq, Italy (the ones stored there), Greece, Turkey, Yugoslavia, Pakistan

[Olefin]

March 30, 2001

Ukraine

The 27th NATO Tank Division takes Ternopol after a two week siege, destroying what is left of the 13th Army in the process. The 27th sends emissaries to the various rebel Ukranian units to make contact.

March 31, 2001

Boomer

The SSN Corpus Christi makes a speed run down the Med in response to the information received from the resistance fighters. As it nears the Straits of Gibraltar it encounters the old French ASW frigate Commandant Bory (F726) on patrol. She manages to successfully elude her but is detected causing the French Navy to go on alert for submarines.

Western PA

The material found at the supply cache is loaded onto trucks and brought back to safety, meeting up with advance units of the 28th at Bedford. The unit bringing the material out was attacked by the White Death but was able to fight its way out. The five Bradley AFV found in the cache were crucial in defeating the White Death forces, their machine guns and 25mm cannon mowing down waves of attackers.

April 2, 2001

Germany

The DIA has been busy over the winter working with US units who refused to evacuate during Operation Omega and while not wholly successful in getting all the various remaining units to come back under US control, they have managed to bring three significant formations back under US MILGOV control.

The III Corps has been reformed and has what is left of the 1st US Cavalry Division, the 70th US Infantry Division and the 3rd US Armored Cavalry Regiment brought back together under its control near Neustrelitz, Germany. The remaining HQ troops from the XIII Corps have joined as well.

They are preparing for a joint operation with the III German Army to drive any remaining Soviet troops out of the area and then attempt a link-up with the US XI Corps in Poland in order to facilitate their withdrawal to friendly territory. They have managed to round up additional US personnel who missed the Omega evacuation, including some 5th Infantry survivors who have made it to Germany over the winter. The Germans have also agreed to hand over some tanks, vehicles and supplies left behind in order to add to their combat power with the proviso that any surviving vehicles and tanks will be handed back at the end of the operation.

III Corps

III Corps HQ
1st US Cavalry Division (2600 men, 54 tanks) - 10 M1, 20 M1A1, 20 M1A2, 4 M60A4
70th US Infantry Division (2000 men, 15 tanks) - 6 M8 Bufords, 9 LAV-75
3rd US Armored Cavalry Regiment (150 men, 4 tanks) - 4 M1A1

Boomer

The Corpus Christi stops at Portsmouth in order to complete her original mission and offload spare parts in order to repair the damaged Permit class submarine USS Gato (SSN-615) and allow her to travel back to Norfolk along with two torpedoes so she can defend herself on the way home. She receives more instructions from MilGov as well as six US Marines from the embassy detail as reinforcements for her landing party, leaving for Norway where they have been directed to meet up with the Norwegian King at the Norwegian naval base in Trondheim.

Korea

As part of the deal made with CENTCOM for fuel, a small convoy arrives at Pusan with the Republic of China’s 66th Marine Brigade. This 3500 man strong force includes a tank battalion (with 36 M41D tanks), four infantry battalions, an artillery battalion and assorted support companies. With their arrival the USMC forces begin to embark for Iran, giving up their places in the line to the Chinese Marines.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Korea

As part of the deal made with CENTCOM for fuel, a small convoy arrives at Pusan with the Republic of China’s 66th Marine Brigade. This 3500 man strong force includes a tank battalion (with 36 M41D tanks), four infantry battalions, an artillery battalion and assorted support companies. With their arrival the USMC forces begin to embark for Iran, giving up their places in the line to the Chinese Marines.

What's OOB of the Marine contingent? Strength, vehicles, attached personnel, air power, etc.

[Olefin]

The 66th Brigade would not have an air contingent (the Taiwan Marines have always been very light on air assets like helos, with only 6 Defender 500's assigned for the whole Marine force). Its artillery battalion would be equipped with M109A2 SPG, while its anti-tank company would have a mix of TOW's and the M40A1 recoilless rifle. It would have a single air defense company equipped with the M42 Duster and the MIM-72/M48 Chaparral.

Small arms would be the T65K2 assault rifle and the T75 light machine gun and they would also have the SMAW bunker busters as well.

The four infantry battalions would be also be equipped with the CM-21 (Taiwanese versions of the M113), each at full strength consisting of 40 officers and 571 NCOs and enlisted ranks. With Taiwan having seen little fighting to date they would be at full strength.

[Olefin]

April 3, 2001

California

The long planned and long delayed general offensive in California to drive the Mexicans back to their border, Operation Idaho, is almost ready to launch. MilGov has managed to get several co-generation plants going again which has allowed them to put two of the three refineries in Kern County (Kern Oil & Refining and San Joaquin Refining) back into full operation over the winter, using the output from the Kern Oil Fields, which they have expended a lot of effort on since 1999 to bring back into operational status.

Conversion is almost completed on the vehicles in the MilGov forces back to run on diesel and gasoline and units have been reinforced by militia units that have been incorporated into regular forces, which have been properly trained as well. A further 2000 militia have been raised and properly equipped in order to allow MilGov to concentrate its forces on the offensive without leaving many men behind to guard depots, food storage and the like.

Depots have been thoroughly searched throughout CA for ammunition, spare parts and working vehicles and in addition to what has been obtained from Littlefield some two dozen M48A5 tanks and fifty assorted M113's have been made operational (using parts from dozens of long stored vehicles to get them operational, a process which has taken nearly a year) as well as over two dozen assorted artillery pieces, some dating back to the Korean War. Units have been reinforced with gun trucks that have been up-armored using armor plate culled from various battlefields and depots and armed with machine guns, mortars and grenade launchers as well.

Alaska

DIA agents have been working extensively to sow dissent in the units that have been cut off in Anchorage since 1998, organizing guerrilla attacks that have forced the units to use much of their remaining ammo reserve in driving them off. Many soldiers in those units are down to their last couple of magazines, with some forced to switch to captured civilian weapons. US trainers with the X Corps have now thoroughly integrated the 14th and 41st Motorized Rifle Divisions that defected to the US after being driven out of Juneau into the US force structure, with any men who did not wish to join the US Army being given a choice between POW camps or parole if they signed a loyalty oath. While the winter has been hard with the coming of spring the 1st and 2nd Infantry Brigades and the 10th Infantry Division, who had spent much of the winter dispersed into small parties to make the most of what hunting and fishing could be done, re-integrating their ranks, adding local partisan and militia groups to their strength in order to finally free Anchorage from the Soviet 11th Army. While the Soviet forces have a substantial advantage in tanks (47 operational tanks versus 6) they have very limited ammunition and fuel for them.

Arkansas
With the information gathered in West Virginia the 197th is ordered to distribute long stored anti-aircraft weaponry to its units as New America’s possession of airships is now known.

Boomer

The Corpus Christi sails thru the English Channel, encountering the French ASW frigate Commandant Riviere that detects and attacks her. The destroyer is sunk by two torpedoes but not until after she manages to damage the Christi, knocking out her fire control system again. It can be repaired but the parts needed are back at Norfolk. Until she gets there she wont be able to use her weapons.

[lordroel]

Doe MilGov and CivGov use Technical in large numbers as pickups are very easy to find in The USA or mostly military vehicles.

[Olefin]

both of them most likely would be using gun trucks (i.e. technicals) - in canon the 278th was using gun trucks in Germany after they lost many of their vehicles on the trip over - you have to assume they continued that practice in the US

[lordroel]

Originally Posted by Olefin

both of them most likely would be using gun trucks (i.e. technicals) - in canon the 278th was using gun trucks in Germany after they lost many of their vehicles on the trip over - you have to assume they continued that practice in the US

So would anybody have control over one of the many car producing factories across the country, you can produce armored vehicles (armored plating and such) with not much problem.

[Olefin]

those factories really dont help much if you want to create home made armored vehicles - what you need is trucks you can modify - especially military ones or ones made for overland travel like Mack RD vehicles that were originally made to service the oil industry