Stuff you have because you've played Twilight:2000

[headquarters]

I agree on the "phoney AR/top break loading AR " sentiment .

Its hard to GET a gun here,and it has to be off an official list ,but at least there are few restrictions on it after .Minimum barrel length 16" and no full auto is pretty much it on a EBR 30 round mags no problem etc .But everything is expensive here .A mag easily runs at 50-300 US dollars -even aftermarket ones.

About Govs imposing gun bans etc in T2K - it would depend ?Up here in Norway ,close to Russia I guess general arming of teh populace would be more likely.In the T2K scenario most Norwegian males will have doen conscription and many women too.The rest would be drafted as pr operational needs.

I see everything from Krag-Jørgensens,Mauser K98,M1 Garands, and a phletora of SMGs,Carbines,pistols etc that we have stocpiled over the years being issued to homeguard units and eventually front line troops as the war wears on.

Somewhere else the exact opposite may be taking place ,with the Gov disarming everyone in preparation for their "impending liberation"....

Originally Posted by jester

Waiting:

I won't argue with you on any of your sentiment of one of the big five red states. I worked on the inside. Its a sinking ship. And the ships officers are ignoring the holes below the waterline. Hell, they are opening them even more with jackhammers and blow torches! And that explains my whole experience working for state gov! Glad I got laid off! Just not thrilled with the hatchet job they pulled. But, lol, now this month minimuim wage and everyone gets three furlough days again, lovely!

Sorry for the rant. Hmmm, this could be a point for T2K, how states left to their own devises go down the toilet bowl and add to the totla anarchy.

Or, leadership that hides reality and is so delusional you just stop and wonder.

As for weaponry, yes, they are clones, I know of four places out of state who do clones. And IF I were to go that route. I would front my bro even though he was with 3/7 <7th Marines is rampant with homo sexuals you know >And when I move, we transfer the items over.


As for purchasing stuff here. Cali Leader M1A1 or varaint <Scout, SOCOM or Match> the compensator is no big deal! Hell, if it works better than the original then even better!

As for the AR class. I put on the "Gorilla Grip" or "Monster Grip" I can have a normal AR, the grip is just different. And that is nothing more than a long screw and some washers. Personaly I like the A2 grip because of the way I shoot, the finger groove is a reference point for where I hold it and place my finger on the trigger. But, eh, I can put up with the "Monster/Gorilla Grip" for another year or two then swap it out for a Hogue grip, its alot easier than the compensator.

And no, no way in hell would I buy one of those cool looking phoney black rifles that have the pinned magazine where you have to break the rifle down shotgun style and load! Two words come to mind, "Screw" and "That!" If such were the case, then I would go with something else, in bolt, or a cool shotgun, or something.


Now, weapons in relation to T2K,

Would weapons bans and restrictions be that great in the years leading up to the T2K events? Or shortly thereafter?

I can understand it occuring in refugee camps. But, the general population without ay reloactions going on.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by headquarters

I see everything from Krag-Jørgensens,Mauser K98,M1 Garands, and a phletora of SMGs,Carbines,pistols etc that we have stocpiled over the years being issued to homeguard units and eventually front line troops as the war wears on.

I never got to actually play in the game, but I once made a character for a PBEM T2K game who was to be a part of one of the last actual official US military units called up, just after TDM. The unit was composed of "bring-your-own-gear" troops -- so he had, amongst other things, a LeMag MAG-15 rifle, a very-limited-issue AR-15 variant chambering .45 Professional (it's on my site under US Semiautomatic Sporting Rifles J-M), and a decent stock of ammo for it. The back story was that my character knew Tim LeGendre personally, and also knew how to properly hand-load the .45 Professional cartridge.

I see, especially in militia units all over the world, such units being everywhere in T2K.

[waiting4something]

Thanks for the homo comment Jester, I was in the 7th. Hell even 3/7 for sometime. Anyway atleast your not gonna get that 10 shot break open AR thing. It's good to know your planning to make a break for it out of the occupied zone. I just hope a ban doesn't happen before you get out. With the Mexican drug violence being blamed on are American firearms and all.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by jester

And no, no way in hell would I buy one of those cool looking phoney black rifles that have the pinned magazine where you have to break the rifle down shotgun style and load! Two words come to mind, "Screw" and "That!" If such were the case, then I would go with something else, in bolt, or a cool shotgun, or something.

Do you know the name of that version? It just sounds so screwy (and stupid), I'd love to search on the Net and find one, just to see it (and read comments about it)!

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Do you know the name of that version? It just sounds so screwy (and stupid), I'd love to search on the Net and find one, just to see it (and read comments about it)!

My on-the-run and outgunned party will come over a few Ar15 type rifles -the joy will be momentary..They are the top break type

[jester]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Thanks for the homo comment Jester, I was in the 7th. Hell even 3/7 for sometime. Anyway atleast your not gonna get that 10 shot break open AR thing. It's good to know your planning to make a break for it out of the occupied zone. I just hope a ban doesn't happen before you get out. With the Mexican drug violence being blamed on are American firearms and all.

LOL, I wouldn't have coped to being with the 7th

Its all cool, some of my best freinds and some family were with the 7th. Its always a running joke we have.


As for the topbreak AR, eh. I had a corowrker who was doing alot of bragging on his "New AR" I was like "WOW!" I thought he jumped through the hoops in 99 to get the permit. then I learned from the other friend whom he showed it to.


There are 2 primary variants;

1.) As I said it has a FIXED magazine. To load, you need to break the weapon down, pushing in/pulling out the rear retaining pin on the reciever and hinge it forward, where you then load the rounds into the magazine like you would a bolt action rifle. They have AKs like this too. Had one at the range the other day who was very very VERY irritating.

2.) The rifle is similiar, but the magazine release is locked. You insert the magazine like normal. But, you need a key, the point of a nail or cartridge of awl or cross top screw driver to depress a special button to activate the magazine release.

Oh the fun I had making fun of that guy.

Hmmm, it could be interesting to find a small supply of these types of rifle in say, "City of the Angels" The people using them are not mechanicaly inclined or gun types. Figure the accountant or banker or lawyer or similiar who bought it for the cool factor after seeing a couple of action movies and in reality had no clue as to the proper employment. To further handicap them, they rare shoot past 100m and they tend to spray the area with rounds.

HQ:

Here is the question, would your area have enough arms and other equipment to equip that many people?

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by jester

2.) The rifle is similiar, but the magazine release is locked. You insert the magazine like normal. But, you need a key, the point of a nail or cartridge of awl or cross top screw driver to depress a special button to activate the magazine release.

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HQ:

Here is the question, would your area have enough arms and other equipment to equip that many people?

I understand the bullet buton is a temporary fix ?Drops in and can be pryed out again upon stripping the gun down ?

Anyhow-according to our dept of justice we have app 750 000 military weapons and about 1000 000 civillian firearms.(Mostly shotguns and hunting rifles)

Out of this number app 10 % or less are illegal /unregistered weapons including resistance guns from WWII.Population is around 4,7 million people.

[jester]

Headquarters:

Those fixed magazine and key magazine release magazine rifles are easily converted back to normal with the regular part or component. So its not a big deal, at least for me. As I stated, I am working on building my own AR lower reciever I purchased just over a year ago.

In the US the part that is considered the firearm is the lower reciever or the pistol frame, all other parts one can actualy purchase via the internet without any special lisence.

As for "APROVED" firearms. California now has a list as well. Sadly, I think your list allows more weapons than they do in California. Heck, they just banned mail order ammunition sales now too. And the taxes here are a bit pricey. I would say that since I bought my 7.5 MAS in the fall of 08, the cost of ammo has doubled! Which is sad!

I went to a gunshop a few weeks ago, <we have 1 in the entire city> their shelves were bare, and they had no idea when they would get new firearms or ammunition.

They did have some Enfields I was interested in, but, eh, they were P14s not P17s, in very poor condition and they wanted ALOT for them, so I passed. Although they did have that SOCOM II that I mentioned, but all of the rails, and it was to muzzle heavy for my taste. Thus, I preffer the SOCOM 16 better.

Oh, in keeping with the title of the thread,

IF I opt for the HK clones it would be because of T2K and T2K alone as I was aware of them, but eh, they never help my interest util after one of my favorite characters even was issued one <One of my first games where the Characters were issued to us. Ah, McFlanery of the SBS, he survived Kalisz and all the way into Allegheny and bought the farm on Airlords of the Ozarks. A 30-06 to the head where he was mortaly wounded.>

[pmulcahy11b]

You know (to bring this back to T2K sort of), these type of AR-15 mods sound more like something amateur gunsmiths in T2K might come up with to bring severely malfunctioning AR-15s and M-16s back to some level of usefulness, and not like real weapons. It's sort of surreal.

[jester]

Paul;

I have used such weapons for militias supported by the ruling gov. Yes, they want to give them some weaponry to defend themselves. But, they do not want to give them weapons, ammo or anything else in large enough quantities that they can go without the support of the power, or effectively resist the powers that be and their forces. Thus, I have had some villages or small communities get weapons like the M1 Garands with about 40 rounds per rifle. Or, SKS rifles with 30 rounds, and of course they only get about a dozen or so rifles. Thus, they have a very limited combat ability. Basicaly, enough to give some defense for a very limited time.

And of course, the ruling power of the region will give the excuse that ammo is scarce. But of course it is to keep them dependant and without the ability to resist.

In one campaign I actualy had it planned out for the longer term problem would be that the supporting power ie, MILGOV would become more and more demanding. And the detatchment by MILGOV who was in the area would become more totalitarian as well in the enforcement of the MILGOV policies and for the MILGOV forces in the community pleasure and luxury while the rest of the community is starving and working like slaves.

Of course the intent was to stir resentment and possibly revolution which would have been a nice twist to the campaign as well.