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Old 02-24-2019, 02:17 PM
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I'm still tinkering with this project as I find the time. I'm not done with the US Military guide yet, but I jumped the gun and started working on a Soviet and Warsaw Pact guide.





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Old 02-25-2019, 12:37 PM
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Love the drawings of the tanks hell-fish , any pictures of 1962 Berlin brigade tanks (French,British and Americans).
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Old 02-26-2019, 12:31 PM
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Love the drawings of the tanks hell-fish , any pictures of 1962 Berlin brigade tanks (French,British and Americans).
I didn't actually make those... I am using them (currently without permission - the plan is to ask for permission once I've completed enough to show off) from http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/

Here's a British Comet from 1960 in the Berlin Brigade.

And a Chieftain.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:13 PM
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Love the drawings of the tanks hell-fish , any pictures of 1962 Berlin brigade tanks (French,British and Americans).
British Centurion, American M48 and French AMX13 in Berlin October 1962.
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And a Chieftain.
The Chieftain is from the early 80s
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I'm still tinkering with this project as I find the time. I'm not done with the US Military guide yet, but I jumped the gun and started working on a Soviet and Warsaw Pact guide.
They look excellent, keep up the good work 😊
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Old 02-27-2019, 09:15 AM
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British Centurion, American M48 and French AMX13 in Berlin October 1962.
French tanks looks tiny compared to the British and French, did they not have anything heavier in West Berlin.
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:10 PM
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The Chieftain is from the early 80s
Yeah. Still pretty.
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Old 02-27-2019, 12:12 PM
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French tanks looks tiny compared to the British and French, did they not have anything heavier in West Berlin.
AMX-30 didn't come out till '65. Before then I think they only had M47s and a few oddballs with AMX-50s hanging around. They were busy with Algeria and Africa for a lot of this time period, and didn't have a lot of money.
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AMX-30 didn't come out till '65. Before then I think they only had M47s and a few oddballs with AMX-50s hanging around. They were busy with Algeria and Africa for a lot of this time period, and didn't have a lot of money.
Do we know where this photo was taken, was it inside West Berlin.
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:24 PM
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Do we know where this photo was taken, was it inside West Berlin.
According to The Tank Museum caption it was.
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Old 02-28-2019, 10:03 PM
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I'm also still working on my end of things! Just looking at more units earlier today from the South Carolina, PA, Louisiana, and Texas NGs.

While the Chieftan didn't enter service until '66 (Challenger I's early 80s) the British Army was tinkering around with turret redesigns for the Centurion that in my version of the timeline saw wartime production. Mentioned them a couple posts back

The "Action X" was just a new turret on a Centurion Mk. 7 while the FV4202 (I called it the Super Centurion or Cohort, inventive) was a conservative evolution of the Centurion design that was later dropped in favor of the design that became the Chieftan circa 1959. Instead, it ends up being produced instead of more Centurions in my T64 timeline.


Action X turret in testing.


FV4202 prototype

I'm glad everyone's still interested! My computer was hors de combat for most of December and January so I'm just getting around to catching up on things. (Also had to write about ten thousand words for a magazine article)
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British Centurion, American M48 and French AMX13 in Berlin October 1962.
French Army in West Germany during the border crisis was the 1st Division, 3rd Division, and 13th Mechanized Brigade. The French government had also moved the 7th Light Armored Division and 11th Light Infantry Division to Europe and made them available to SAUCER as reserve units.

Front line units in Germany were pretty badly under strength on armor. According to a US Army report they had 43 AMX-SS-11s (AMX-13 with a rack of four SS-11 AT missiles officially called the AMX-13 T75 (Char Lance SS-11)), 50% of their TO&E, and only 45% of their table APCs (AMX-VTT and -VCI). The 1st Division was heavy armor and had some of the early AMX-30s plus M47s, plus plenty of AMX-13s to go around.
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Old 03-08-2019, 04:57 PM
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Moved over to Navy materials. If anyone's interested in diesel subs in WWIII, got some good info on the GUPPY and Fleet Snorkel programs, seaplane refueling sub projects, and Naval Reserve Training Subs.
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Would love to see the Navy in this one...especially if the two nuclear-powered surface ships are still going: namely USS Enterprise (CVAN-65) and USS Long Beach (CGN-9) Enterprise's air wing would have flown strikes into Cuba in support of the invasion, for starters.
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Old 04-09-2019, 10:35 PM
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At least in my timeline, the naval and ground troops of the Cuban invasion force were pretty much whipped out as an effective fighting force. Survivors have straggled back to south Florida but the Enterprise is an unsailable wreck but the Navy enclave at Key West has been using her reactor to power their facility. Independence is damaged but repairable, there's just no facilities to do it. Essex was sunk. Long Beach and Bainbridge are still around. Long Beach spent most of the war in the North Atlantic but is in Norfolk now. Bainbridge transited to the Pacific. They both serve as couriers/HQs for US Naval forces.

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Indonesia had begun taking delivery of 12 Whiskey-class submarines in 1962, as well as two Russian sub tenders. Some sources state 1967, but most state that the sub tenders were turned over in the summer of 1962 with the submarines beginning delivery in January. One tender was a slightly older Project 233K and the other a newer Don-class (with some more actual pictures of the latter in service). Contemporary photos (possibly) show as many as eight subs may have been delivered by year end 1962.

The US Navy had assigned various diesel submarines, mostly unmodified Gato and Balao-class boats, to naval installations across the country as training facilities for the Naval Reserve. By the end of the decade most were permanently rendered unable to dive, in 1962 they were almost all ready for conversion to operational boats. Batteries were sometimes removed, or they were locked out of being able to dive. Here's a list I've compiled of stations and subs in 1962:
  • USS Batfish (AGSS-310), Naval Station Algiers, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Billfish (SS-286), South Boston Annex, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Bowfin (SS-287), Seattle, WA, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Cabrilla (SS-288), Houston, TX, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Cabezon (SS-334), Tacoma Reserve Center on Hylebos Waterway, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Cero (SS-225), Detroit Naval Armory, unmodified Gato-class
  • USS Cobia (SS-245), Milwaukee Naval Reserve Center, unmodified Gato-class
  • USS Cod (SS-224), Cleveland, OH, unmodified Gato-class
  • USS Dentuda (SS-385), Hunters Point Naval Shipyard, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Drum (SS-228), Washington Navy Yard, unmodified Gato-class
  • USS Guavina (AOSS-362), Fort McHenry, MD, Gato-class modified as a seaplane fuel tanker
  • USS Hake (SS-256) Philadelphia Navy Yard, unmodified Gato-class
  • USS Lionfish (SS-298), Marine Corps Reserve Pier, Providence, RI, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Loggerhead (SS-374), Portland, OR, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Manta (AGSS-299), Submarine Base New London, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Parche (SS-384), Alameda, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Roncodor (SS-301), Long Beach Naval Station, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Sea Dog (SS-401), Derby Wharf, Salem, MA, unmodified Balao-class
  • USS Sealion (APSS-315), Portsmouth Navy Yard, Balao-class modified into UDT/Marine transport
  • USS Silversides (SS-236), Chicago Naval Armory, unmodified Salmon-class
  • USS Trepang (AGSS-412), Mare Island Navy Yard, unmodified Balao-class

Some of the units assigned to Reserve Submarines:
  • Reserve Submarine Division 3-23, Brooklyn Navy Yard
  • Reserve Submarine Division 3-55, Brooklyn Navy Yard
  • Reserve Submarine Division 4-37, Philadelphia Naval Shipyard
  • Reserve Submarine Division 4-92, Cleveland, OH
  • Reserve Submarine Division 5-7, Fort McHenry, MD
  • Reserve Submarine Division 8-94, Dickson Gun Plant, Houston, TX
  • Reserve Submarine Division 8-95, Dickson Gun Plant, Houston, TX
  • Reserve Submarine Division 9-227, Milwaukee Naval Reserve Center
  • Reserve Submarine Division 12-9, Alameda Reserve Training Center
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Following up on the, ehem, Navy boat, here's the 1960 Landing Party Manual, the last publication from the US Navy on sailors operating as ground forces, their organization, and equipment. There was apparently a 1962 revision, but as most things, if it isn't very early in the year/I can't find it, 1960-1961 material suffices.

https://archive.org/details/OPNAVP34...yManual1960Red
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Old 05-28-2019, 08:01 PM
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To go with the Corps area map, the US Navy districts in 1962.


And current ratings in 1962.

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Old 05-28-2019, 10:51 PM
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USNR Units from 1961-1962, Aviation and called-up Selected Reserve ships

HS-741: NAS Jacksonville
HS-742: NAS Jacksonville
HS-743: NAS Jacksonville
HS-871: NAS Oakland HSS-1
HS-872: NAAS Ream Field HSS-1
HS-912: NAS South Weymouth
HU-731: NAS Grosse Ile HUP
HU-733: NAS Grosse Ile
HU-751: NAS Lakehurst HUP
HU-812: NAS Minneapolis HUP

VA-672: NAS Atlanta
VA-891: NAS Seattle

VF-725: NAS Glenview
VF-727: NAS Glenview
VF-791: NARTU Memphis
VF-873: NAS Alameda A4D

VP-672: NAS Atlanta
VP-741: NAS Jacksonville
VP-791: NARTU Memphis
VP-872: NAS Alameda
VP-873: NAS Oakland
VP-875: NAS Oakland P2V5F
VP-876: NAS Oakland P2V
VP-881: NAS Olathe
VP-911: NAS South Weymouth
VP-913: NAS South Weymouth

VR-742: NAS Jacksonville
VR-872: NAS Alameda
VR-873

VS-741: NAS Jacksonville
VS-753: NAS Lakehurst
VS-873: NAS Alameda
VS-875: NAS Alameda S2F
VS-892: NAS Seattle S2F

Air Wing Staff 70: NAS Dallas
Air Wing Staff 72: NAS Glenview

DERs transferred to Selected Reserve September 1961
USS Haverfield (DER-393): Seattle, WA
USS Koiner (DER-331): San Francisco, CA
USS Wilhoite (DER-397): San Francisco, CA
USS Lansing (DER-388): Long Beach, CA
USS Forster (DER-334): Long Beach, CA

Haverfield, Lansing, and Forster will enter Group Two of the Reserve traing program; they will be manned by "nucleus crews" of Regular Navy men in addition to the local Reservists. These ships will be available to the Fleet with a minimum of delay. Wilhoite and Koiner will be placed in Group One, and will have larger crews of Regular Navy personnel; they will be ready for immediate recall.

Selected Reserve Units Called to Duty in October 1961
USS Miller (DD-535)
USS Parle (DE-708)*
USS Tills (DE-748)
USS Hood (DD-655)*
USS Remey (DD-688)* **
USS DeLong (DE-684)
USS Thaddeus Parker (DE-369)
USS Albert T. Harris (DE-447)
USS Coates (DE-685)
USS McNair (DD-679)
USS Kidd (DD-661)
USS J. Douglas Blackwood (DE-219)
USS Snowden (DE-246)
USS Bearss (DD-654)*
USS Roberts (DE-749)
USS Loeser (DE-680)
USS Robert F. Keller (DE-419)
USS Darby (DE-218)
USS Hunt (DD-674)*
USS Robinson (DD-562)
USS Greenwood (DE-679)**
USS Tweedy (DE-532)
USS Wren (DD-568)*
USS Huse (DE-145)*
USS Crow (DE-252)
USS Woodson (DE-359)
USS Daniel A. Joy (DE-585)
USS Tingey (DD-539)
USS Colahan (DD-658)
USS Marsh (DE-699)
USS Vammen (DE-644)
USS Wiseman (DE-667)
USS Laws (DD-558)
USS Walton (DE-361)
USS Edmonds (DE-406)
USS Alvin C. Cockrell (DE-366)
USS Watts (DD-567)
USS Whitehurst (DE-634)
USS Charles E. Brannon (DE-446)**
USS McGinty (DE-365)
USS Plover MSC(O)-33

VP-661 (P2V Neptune)
VP-741 (P2V Neptune)
VP-832 (P2V Neptune)
VP-872 (P2V Neptune)
VP-933 (P2V Neptune)

VS-721 (S2F Tracker)
VS-733 (S2F Tracker)
VS-751 (S2F Tracker)
VS-771 (S2F Tracker)
VS-772 (S2F Tracker)
VS-821 (S2F Tracker)
VS-837 (S2F Tracker)
VS-861 (S2F Tracker): NAS Norfolk
VS-872 (S2F Tracker)
VS-873 (S2F Tracker)
VS-891 (S2F Tracker)
VS-915 (S2F Tracker)
VS-935 (S2F Tracker)

*=Scheduled for repairs and overhaul, targeted to be ready by November 1st
**=Battle 'E' for 1961

Titles of USNR Shore Units 1961-1962
BuShips Company
Supply Company
Hospital Corps Division
Naval Weapons Training Unit
Surface Division (Large)
Surface Division (Medium)
Construction Battalion/SeaBee Division
Electronics Division
Naval Security Group Division
Submarine Division
Intelligence Division
Reserve Research Company
Public Relations Company
Ship Activation, Maintenance, and Repair Division
Harbor Defense Division

Units were numbered with District Number - Serial number of unit in that district, for example: Harbor Defense Division 5-1 was located in Norfolk, VA.
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