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Old 01-22-2019, 05:23 PM
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Just one?
Seriously though the better idea is to try and keep the opposition well away from the vehicles, or better yet totally unaware you even HAVE vehicles!
Until it's too late for them of course and you're already driving over the top of their splattered corpses.
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A single (mentally unstable) guy...
Hey! I resemble that remark!
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:51 AM
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Hey! I resemble that remark!
Don't we all?
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This is why we cannot have nice things in the US Army!

https://taskandpurpose.com/army-jltv-rollover-photo
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This is why we cannot have nice things in the US Army!



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"alright, I want to take this awesome new vehicle for a drive! "
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It took them four days? That's three days more than usual!
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this one was on face book from the Ukraine.

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this one was on face book from the Ukraine.



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Old 01-28-2019, 09:07 PM
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this one was on face book from the Ukraine.

https://www.facebook.com/defensionem...type=3&theater
All I can say is...why? You can buy real BMP-2s from some countries in Africa or the FSU these days, cheap.
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Old 01-28-2019, 09:46 PM
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Like the BMD-2 above in VietNam some gun trucks were simply M113s in the bed of a truck.
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There's a couple of reasons you would do something like that.
I believe one of the M113 guntrucks from Vietnam was made because they had a surplus 113 hull (or that the 113 had been damaged in some way but the hull was still intact). So in that situation, it's simply a case of making use of something that was not usable in its normal form.
Maybe the BMD has damaged running gear/engine or tracks etc. etc.

The second reason would be the portee concept. Using the truck to carry the BMD to save wear and tear on the BMD engine, tracks etc. etc. It also uses less fuel to cart the thing around on the back of a truck.

And there's one other idea, maybe it was a tactical choice - the autocannon of the BMD is much higher above ground level than it would normally be. In the back of that truck, it looks as though it's at a good height to fire over walls and gates like you see in the background.
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Old 01-28-2019, 10:26 PM
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As I think has already been said the gun trucks of Viet Nam had a different mission to the Middle Eastern technicals and the Donbass 'thingys'.

In Viet Nam the firebases needed supplying (72% of the war effort was in the maintenance of the firebases) and the supply columns had a chance of being ambushed at extremely close range. The way the frankly courageous men manning the convoys responded was with overwhelming automatic fire to suppress the enemy, stop the enemy maneuvering and make the convoy the master of its surroundings.

The wandering nature of Twilight 2000 soldiers, they are either ensconced in a canton or on the road, means that the Viet Nam model really suits T2k. When surprised they can lay down massive automatic fire and dominate the ambush at the outset. It's hell on the ammo but who wants to die with a full ammo pouch anyway.
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Maybe the BMD has damaged running gear/engine or tracks etc. etc.



The second reason would be the portee concept. Using the truck to carry the BMD to save wear and tear on the BMD engine, tracks etc. etc. It also uses less fuel to cart the thing around on the back of a truck.



And there's one other idea, maybe it was a tactical choice - the autocannon of the BMD is much higher above ground level than it would normally be. In the back of that truck, it looks as though it's at a good height to fire over walls and gates like you see in the background.
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Old 01-29-2019, 05:11 AM
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Carrying the BMD around on the back of a truck not only reduces wear and tear on the motor, tracks, etc. etc., it also makes it still useful without needing to have a qualified driver. In terms of Twilight, I imagine this would be a reasonable option for keeping a heavy weapon available when the vehicle normally carrying the weapon is not mobile but still usable.
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Carrying the BMD around on the back of a truck not only reduces wear and tear on the motor, tracks, etc. etc., it also makes it still useful without needing to have a qualified driver. In terms of Twilight, I imagine this would be a reasonable option for keeping a heavy weapon available when the vehicle normally carrying the weapon is not mobile but still usable.
Good point, but keep in mind that lugging around an AFV hull is going to dramatically increase wear and tear on the truck's various components, so it's a bit of a trade-off.
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Good point, but keep in mind that lugging around an AFV hull is going to dramatically increase wear and tear on the truck's various components, so it's a bit of a trade-off.
Absolutely and I think the way to alleviate some of the negative connotations of this is to make it a part of the gameplay - as in, the group discusses their options and decides which option is better for them, running the armoured vehicle as it was intended, or carrying it portee style on a truck (or evern abandoning one vehicle or the other!)
Depending on the model of truck, it's probably far easier to source spare parts for it than it is to get spares for the armoured vehicle. Trucks typically require less maintenance than armoured vehicles and you can sometimes get away with using non-standard components on the truck e.g. using wheels/tyres from a similar vehicle.
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Old 01-29-2019, 09:03 PM
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It should be noted you'd probably have to use a crane to get the AFV onto the truck. It's about 12 tons+ for a BMD from memory
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Old 01-29-2019, 10:00 PM
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A crane would be helpful and probably quicker, but not vital. Any combat engineer / assault pioneer can rig up the necessary apparatus using trees, logs, steel beams, rocks, ropes, chains and so on.
Just sitting here writing this post I can think of three ways to do it without using equipment heavier than a chainsaw.
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If you have the time (and you will want plenty of it) and some shovels, you can always use the old trick of digging a hole that's only as deep as the rear tray is high and reverse the truck in. Then it's a simple enough task to drive the BMD onto the truck bed.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:37 AM
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[QUOTE=StainlessSteelCynic;80699... old trick of digging a hole that's only as deep as the rear tray is high and reverse the truck in.[/QUOTE]

Explosives do the job too. Using time delay detonators properly you not only dig your hole, but toss the spoil out in a suitable direction too. Drop a few planks in for your wheels, and you're good to go!
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Our PCs were using an A-frame to put a ZSU-23-2 onto the back of a truck when we fumbled and the zoo landed on my character
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Just a few of the available lifting options, all fairly easy to construct out of (usually) locally sourced materials.

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Depending on the model of truck, it's probably far easier to source spare parts for it than it is to get spares for the armoured vehicle. Trucks typically require less maintenance than armoured vehicles and you can sometimes get away with using non-standard components on the truck e.g. using wheels/tyres from a similar vehicle.
Very true.
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[QUOTE=Legbreaker;80707]Just a few of the available lifting options, all fairly easy to construct out of (usually) locally sourced materials.

a Gin Pole is found on the M88 Recovery Vehicle/ M88A2 Heavy Equipment Recovery Combat Utility Lifting Extraction Systems
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A Gin Pole is found on the M88 Recovery Vehicle/ M88A2 Heavy Equipment Recovery Combat Utility Lifting Extraction Systems
Not surprising really given it's it the simplest of all the lifting methods, although does require a significant amount of rope or chain, and some strong anchor points (three will work, four is better).
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So, the Russians have a travelling [rail-] roadshow of war booty from Syria, including some pretty creative gun-trucks. Check them out here:

http://thedrive.com/the-war-zone/266...rossing-russia

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