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Old 08-19-2021, 02:41 AM
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This is probably irrelevant to most people, but a 44 gallon drum (UK)/55 gallon drum (US) holds 200 litres which roughly equals 200 kilograms of potatoes.

I'm a bit torn on the humble spud. They are extremely energy dense food and don't really deserve to be termed "wild food".
(An empty 44 weighs 20kg)

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Ahh, I should have added this:
Paul lists this:

Drum, 200-liter: Normal steel or aluminum drum, though plastic is becoming available. Weight: 10kg; Price: $30 (V/V)

I would add:
Rotary Oil Drum Pump: Pump for dispensing fluids from large drums. Weight: 2.0kg; Price $50 (V/V)

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Iso-Butanol, the fuel that acts like T2K "alcohol"

Iso-Butanol is a biofuel under study that is derived from agricultural waste. It has a whopping 98% efficiency of that of gasoline and it doesn't even use the high-sugar feedstock like sweet sorghum or beets that modern bio-fuels use. It needs a fermentation-distillation system that uses some odd microbes, the infamous E-Coli stomach bug is one, and it needs some finicky kit to make. It's still in the experimental phase (this is actually great news for the world, it doesn't even use the edible parts of the food).

Now, a few of us have never been comfortable with ethanol-methanol fuels for the simple reason is they don't work the way they do in the books. Ethanol has a very high burning temperature and needs to be mixed with other fuels to lower it. Methanol has, to use the Australian idiom, bugger-all energy. Neither fuel has nearly enough energy to run a vehicle or frankly you'd see everyone cooking fuel now.

So, for those OCD people such as myself you can consider that the iso-butanol revolution came early. As the war ground on the fuel crunch hit and one side or the other introduced the fuel and the other side quickly caught on and did likewise. Specialty brewing/distilling kits were issued to the troops and these are the "stills" we see in the game.

If you don't like having that sort of high-efficiency fuel around simply rule that the kits the troops make and the microbe stock they have access to is less efficient.
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A possible menace for the T2K battlefield.
Now illegal since 1995, blinding lasers were developed but not fielded by all the powers.
If you're feeling brutal here's some ways they work that are more involved than you might think.
There is no protection against blinding lasers that still allows you to see.
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Horses (yet again)

Many months ago a poster here brought up the brilliant point that there wouldn't be all that many horses in Poland and probably not enough for cavalry units. I did some "research" since then and found that Poland actually had several state horse studs and Polish race horses were an important vector of western funds. In The Second World War these studs were moved east and then south for safety to save them from the Germans. They did actually fall into their hands but it seems obvious to me that this would probably happen again. The obvious upshot of this is that horse units are raised in the east and sent west using Russian and Polish breed-stock. This saves them from the worst of the chemical warfare. Similarly cavalry units in NATO are raised from French and Spanish stocks (if you ignore the stupid French stab-in-the-back theory) and are moved east and this is where the horse studs are.

Now, this all might seem useless trivia but it does give us some useful information. Cavalry units after the general collapse might even furtively trade across enemy lines for instance. Also horse stocks are rife for raid-and-capture and a scenario of troops raiding across the Oder to grab mounts if your supply line to your mount resupply collapses.

As we've discussed earlier horses actually do not run on grass. If you want grass-fed horses you need something on the order of seven remounts per trooper as horses are rested. Cavalry work is hard going for horses and historically in pre-modern armies fodder took up the bulk of logistical space as horses need high energy feed. There's also the annoying thing that horses won't graze in strange territory after dark even if fodder is their supplement. This gives you in idea of why horses with their higher land speed don't cover as much ground as infantry; horses move more quickly but for a shorter time. Also if you're running a cavalry game then unlike in the infantry game clean water becomes an issue. Horses drink about 30 litres to 50 litres a day, we can say 30 litres if resting and 50 litres if working. This water has to be clean. So a careful scouting route has to be made and water sources reconnoitred.

Although we tend to think of cavalry as just a few guys on horseback and maybe a packhorse or two, in an actual unit this will be different. The best example of this is going to be European cavalry units serving in the Second World War. For scenario and campaign ideas here's a Lone Sentry article on soviet cavalry from the early 1940s.

http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/cavalry/
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Group Morale

Panic in Twilight 2000 2.2 relates to wounds and incoming fire and this is an example of personal morale.

Group morale is the behaviour of groups to events and situations. Player characters are not effected by group morale in standard games but non player characters do not have this luxury.

Normally, a unit's morale is based heavily on its leadership. Well indoctrinated, well-rested and well-fed troops with good leaders are capable of surprising accomplishments. Unsure, tired and starving troops with poor leadership regularly break at first contact. They will flee if possible or surrender if it is not. Often they will not even fight at all. In their desire for self preservation they might discard their weapons and anything else that hinders their ability to run at top speed. Leadership also incorporates many other aspects of group character and leadership figures often help shape unit behaviour in many situations, but that's getting a bit complex for this post.

It would be onerous to have to roll for every individual NPC constantly during a fight. Instead GMs should think on the following aspects before the encounter to come up with a sort of unit character to understand how they will react during combat.

- Leadership (if any)
Troops under an effective leader have the morale rating their leader has and this is why leaders are primary targets. Leadership usually but not always is equivalent to rank, however actual leadership roles have been found in very low ranking members of units. This aspect is brittle, troops that have a significant difference in NPC quality such as Novice troops under a Veteran leader often break when they become aware the leader is out of action.
- Training.
The four NPC levels depict training and the acclimatisation of the individual to combat and campaigning. Very experienced troops might be reduced to Novice morale if they are ill, disillusioned or fearful. Training has a strong influence on reaction (see below)
- Condition.
Hunger, thirst, fatigue and similar conditions sap the individual of their will to fight. Sieges frequently are resolved when troops simply lose the will to continue fighting due to privation.
- Indoctrination.
The level of commitment to fighting comes from how the soldier sees the situation and the information they are given about the fighting. Many things influence this and these include exposure to formal and informal indoctrination such as political training or propaganda or rumours and biases. Fraternisation strongly effects the will to fight and soldiers who have had friendly relationships with the enemy frequently refuse to fight at all.
- Circumstances
A catch-all category that influences the group and individual. For instance troops that have traded with the enemy might assume they will be given good treatment if they surrender. Troops who have been engaged in atrocities might assume that surrender will mean abuse followed by execution (although even at the last moment troops often choose surrender knowing this will happen to put off death for a short time). If a strong position is to the rear troops might wish to fall back towards it or if reinforcements are nearby troops might fight on knowing help is at hand.

All these modify the following hard fact:

The vast majority of troops do not attack at 10% casualties, retreat at 25% casualties and flee at 50% casualties.

Humans are not D&D orcs and only very rarely fight to the death (this is really a player character thing). These events are so rare they are nearly always noted in the history accounts. When morale fails there are three major human reactions that follow in decreasing order: Flight, Freeze and Fight. These reactions become Retreat, Surrender or Last Stand. Highly trained individuals have this retrained to Fight and Retreat through various means. Anyway, this is very rarely group behaviour. Note that most military operations deliberately give equal size units escape avenues as last stands can cause significant friendly casualties out of proportion to their operational gains.

Morale Failure Reactions:
As there's little if any evidence for group minds morale tends to fail in a smaller section of the unit and rapidly spread. Isolated individuals under pressure, flanks struck from the side, lower quality troops witnessing a leader's fall or capture often break first and then other members of the unit become aware of it and lose morale as well. While some leaders or sub leaders can salvage the situation and rally the troops on the spot what usually happens is some sort of reduction in fighting capability is managed. This can happen over and over during combat. One flank can start to fall back which requires rallying and shoring up while another sector comes under pressure. Troops can press forward and then stall or fall back. This sort of behaviour brings realism to T2K fights that are often lacking.

Player Leaders.
Using all this lets the players take the roles of battlefield leaders in unit actions. GMs should consider the nature of the led troops, the behaviour of the player leader and situation. Some troops might respond well to a brutal player leader while others might not. All these factors should give dice modifiers to the Leadership skill roll. All-or-nothing rolls should be avoided (as in all things) and excellent rolls should give excellent results and only-just-failures should not mean the troops run for the hills. Careful managing of the Condition, Indoctrination and Circumstance aspects relating to the troops can give bonuses while neglecting them can give adverse results. Note that heavily indoctrinated troops might misbehave when not under a leader's immediate control.
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Does anyone use dirt bikes in the game?
I'm a motorbike rider myself and I have to say I'd rather not be riding a dirt-squirt around World War Three Poland. Not only are they pretty noisy but they have fairly limited carrying capacity. They don't even have the illusory armour of a humvee in which you can at least crouch down in the back and hope they don't see you. It also takes all your hands and feet to control the thing. Yes, I've seen people shooting things off bikes but let's be honest, you can't do it in life and death fighting. When people use them to kill people in cities the pillion passenger does the shooting.
The only use I can find for them would be for getting around inside the canton with and you can use a pushbike for that. If you scout with it you'd better make damn well sure you didn't miss an enemy on your next bound.
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I put a few thoughts down about something, added a bit and then bit more and I sort of got a bit carried away. 3,000 words later . . .

Here's a combined Soviet-Polish unit to chase the characters around. Not actually bad people, however they want that intel document you have and they're determined to get it.
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Leaving France in NATO

If you do away with the kinda dumb France stab-in-the-back-legend you can have the falling out between France and Germany anyway. In this scenario French troops have trouble with German forces and displaced persons as they start to carve out cantons (just like everyone else, it's just seen in a different context). Perhaps rumours are starting that the supply lines coming out of France and Spain also have stuff going back and the Germans feel they're being strip-mined of assets.

If you do have this you can move the non-German, non-British and non-US troops (the only NATO troops in T2K really) up to the gap in the line towards the southern German-Polish border. Sooner or later these troops are going to want to go home for stabilisation work and you can either leave them in place for some good multinational NATO colour or have their cantons deserted as they pull out and make for their respective territories.

This opens up some more backstory. Instead of the French Perfidy you can have NATO thrust right back across the French border in some places at some times and thus whole swathes of German territory have WarPact troops still in place, living off the land and looking for a way out now that their strategic reason for being is gone. Soviet plans might involve linking up with these isolated units and if you're doing Going Home these units might present a problem for the fairly quiet section of getting across Germany.

This also gives you a far greater political angle. When the collapse starts national character is going to figure heavily when it comes to unit cooperation. Does a French unit really want to go to aid of a German unit when another French unit is in danger? Most of the time they will but this strain will steadily mount and the players might have to navigate a national political minefield of competing requirements. Also they can play each off each other, like if they're pulling out and some unit demands all their equipment but a nearby unit is prepared to be far more equitable if they pass through their territory instead (and do that little job for them the PCs don't know about yet).
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Russian Shotguns

(This kinda doesn't fit for Poland games but I add it if your PCs ever get into ex-USSR territories)

While we generally tend to assume that every soviet citizen had a Kalash in the cupboard that really only applies to the post-soviet breakdown period. Of course soviet citizens had to undergo mandatory conscription so the idea that these trained individuals should have easy access to rifles was something the soviet authorities weren't keen to allow. Thus Russia had strict rules on rifle ownership, however shotgun ownership was common for hunting and as such were often used in places were rifles would be used in the west. This meant Russian shotguns usually had rifle sights and also rifled slug and heavy dart ammunition were not uncommon.

These slugs, darts and sabot rounds were varied and grew over time. Russia also adopted the plastic shotgun cartridge early and constantly refined them. Here's some of the basic slugs:
Brenneke Slug: Actually a German design, this was quite common in the 1960s to the 1980s. As an enormous amount of these were in circulation it's likely some would still exist.
Polev Slug: Designed in the 1980s, this is a complex plastic shell slug purely for big game. There are several variations but these were not in use in the Twilight Era apart from the first. The actual slug looks like a honking great pistol bullet and has the same damage potential as a big game rifle.
Mayer "Turbinka" ("turbine") Slug: Another from the 1960s, this slug is similar in some ways to the US Foster Slug in having a forward weight bias for stability. Notably a turbinka can be home-made if the sophisticated moulds are available however careful mixing of the slug material is important for bore life and accuracy.
"Udar" ("strike") Sabot Round: A sub-calibre round with serious armour penetrative ability and range. Originally a specialist round for government use it soon became a sought-after black market item for hunting and no doubt for settling the odd personal grievance.

Now, when it comes to Russian shotguns the name "TOZ", "Tulsky Oruzheiny Zavod" or the Tula Arms Plant is as easily recognised to a Russian as Winchester or Remington is to an American, it is a TOZ shotgun that will be on the wall or behind the door. TOZ made a plethora of civilian weapons and I won't list them all but I will note the most widespread shotguns.

TOZ-34 is an under-and-over double barrelled shotgun, 3.00kg
TOZ-66 is a side-by-side double barrelled shotgun, 3.00kg
TOZ-87 is a semiautomatic, 4 or 7 shot shotgun, 3.20kg

[EDIT]: Note that there are lots of Russian hunting rifles and in some very curious calibres, I'm just posting these as they are so common. Please don't think rifles were totally banned, it was just harder to get a licence for them.)






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(Summary: arctic troops should eat double)

Another nuclear winter is rolling in on my players and soon the winter whites will be part of the dress code. As it's going to be a long hard winter with even more famine and nutrition deficiency illnesses I thought I might make a few notes here about climate and food.

Firstly, modern westerners have different bodies to twilight soldiers. Since the 1970s our body fat content has doubled due to our modern food types. This layer of energy-rich insulating fat will be much missed by the troops who have been primarily eating potatoes and dog meat for over a year. They are lean and stringy rather than buff. You can see the average perfectly fit, healthy and enduring soldiers today that would be categorised as "moon faced" in former wars.

Twilight 2000 has us surviving on terms of kilograms, an annoying metric but useful for kit purposes. The net says one MRE is 1250 calories, well below the daily requirement for soldiers in tropical environments (3300 calories). Notably this number is for 1947 and is more presentative of twilight 2000 conditions. This is considered bare survival level and just above a starvation diet. Realistically twilight 2000 troops should binge occasionally and build up a body reserve, especially before it gets cold.

So, winter rolls in for Poland and the normal temperatures vary where you are. but -5ºc is the common bottom temperature. However we've thrown nukes about with MAD (pun) abandon so we could probably expect temperatures to hit -15ºc regularly. Note that this is a best case Nuclear Autumn. I can see really horrid blizzards rolling in off the Russian Massif going well below that. Don't forget wind chill lowers the temperature from -5ºc to -30ºc and even just slowly moving in a vehicle adds the minimum amount.

So what will the troops be eating?

The gold standard for arctic weather food intake is 4400 calories per day. We could argue that as a game mechanism that we could use double standard twilight 2000 rations of 2500 calories per day but I think this is being fairly lenient. 3750 calories, or triple standard rations, is actually more likely for troops who expect to be outside and active. Twilight 2000 life is hard, grinding work with little sleep and constant stress.
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So, your party of military hillbillies straggle into a Polish village short on fuel and food.
However, when they get there they find the locals aren't willing to trade. Their spokesman demands the group instead redeem the hundreds of Military Payment Certificates (MPCs) they'd been saddled with during a period of former occupation, reducing them to a poverty level even lower than elsewhere.
Of course the group can't pay and the sullen villagers send a runner to report the group to a local OTK outpost while being nice to their faces.

(In Vietnam the locals would regularly get saddled with MPCs, a form of military scrip designed to keep high value US dollars out of the Vietnamese economy and ruining it. These would regularly be changed over on secret "C Days" to a new type, ruining the local people who didn't understand and were kept in the dark on how the currency worked. After a few times of this they tended to join the Viet Cong and attacks on bases after C Days were frequent.)

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The Polish Government in Exile

When NATO goes over the border in the Twilight War they can't just rampage around in Poland without good reason, those things just aren't done (legally). So, they have to be invited in, and to do this they need a power that asks them to and this will be a hastily created "Government in Exile" (GiE) which of course will be instantly branded a "Puppet State" by the Polish People's Republic (PPR).

To be honest, political scientists get very cautious naming these entities because there's a whole lot of moral bias going on, the best description I've seen for them is a "Nominally Sovereign State". These can be as free willed as The Free French Government in The Second World War to something as blatantly controlled as one of the many Imperial Japanese puppet states*.
Usually these powers are complex and change stature frequently, at first supportive and then suddenly becoming obstructive. Like any political entity it may only partially be concerned with military rationales as they have to consistently tread a fine line between excusing their allies and appearing to be a puppet of their military guarantors.

However, in role playing terms it's first and foremost important to say that the PPR are going to hate these people with an incandescent fury. Not only are they to them national traitors but in communist terms they are also class traitors. They are everything a communist Pole is going to loathe, and seeing them fight alongside those who nuked, gassed and plagued as well as bombed their own country makes them implacable enemies (their own allies doing the same might be treated with a bit more lenience, what the average Polish survivor thinks will vary widely).
So, when the US 5th Infantry Division (Mechanised) goes under the first thing that is going to happen is a lot of unpleasantly harsh questions are going to be asked of the POWs about the 1st Polish Free Legion and where they are, what their strengths are and what their support is. Also are going to be some uncomfortable questions about who in the civilian population supported them. These questions aren't going to be asked by the Polish People's Army but rather by the less restrained political authorities.

It will be priority one for Polish PPA troops to engage, destroy and then capture any 1st Legionnaires. Note this will probably clash with Soviet war aims which will be to encircle and destroy NATO main force units. PPA troops will be extensively indoctrinated before engaging rebels to whatever levels are locally possible. If possible political troops will be integrated with PPA units to enforce discipline and deter desertion. A classic problem for political operations such as these is troops allowing rebels to escape because they can sympathise with them even if they don't agree with them.
Historically soviet forces avoid these operations but if they see the need to join in they will use the usual soviet method of ensuring success: overwhelming force. Unlike local troops soviet troops will see no problems with encircling and annihilating rebel units as a method of enforcing political orthodoxy (believe it or not but NATO will generally act in a similar way on their side of the border). World War Three is an ideological war fought for ideological aims and this means ugly ideological operations.

So, where does this place player characters? First off, Polish and Soviet players are at an even more increased risk than normal. Deserters who go over to the other side are always treated badly, and switching sides in an overtly political war even more so. Communists officials have historically treated traitors harshly and while Stalinism is over forty years dead at this time the very fact there’s a war on means that all sides will be run by hardliners.

Secondly, there will have been vestiges of the GiE here and there right across Poland. These people will most have left with retreating troops but a portion of those that remained will have survived. They may be operating as Stay Behind Troops or Partisans. Note; don’t expect normal military aims from a partisan group or any other paramilitary group. Quite often their operations have more to do with group dynamics than any coherent military aim. Of course many partisan groups are brave and dedicated people.

GiE officials may want to try and create enclaves in the desolate Polish rear areas. These cantons will draw military activity like honey draws flies. The players may well understand that eventually someone will inform Lublin for whatever reason and then the hammer will fall, Lublin is likely to tolerate the Black Baron far more than a GiE hamlet.

GiE offcials and infrastructure can be a help to the players. If they’ve had a series of awful rolls, bad outcomes or simply rotten choices then blundering onto a hidden GiE base can be a godsend. These are good plot devices because they can’t keep the players too long or they’ll draw attention, especially if the players have the usual gaggle of clapped out vehicles along. A GiE base can be rife with intrigue, betrayal and other drama the players can blunder into. Factional struggles, petty personal squabbles that blow up into existential threats and other threats abound. These are even more likely than the usual tiny village problems because of the massive overreaction that Lublin has for these groups so they have to maintain the utmost secrecy. Lublin is, of course, well aware that they are out there and has dedicated specialist TKO units that exist solely to root them out and destroy them.

Some missions that these groups give in exchange for their help can be at odds to the strictly military or survival orientated tasks the players are used to. Tax gathering (everyone loves the tax man! Not.), persuading villages to switch sides, drawing off inquisitive government forces, hearts-and-minds ops and some of the weirder Vietnam-era operations are all possible. The players might be happy to get on the road again.

Finally, traces of this organisation should be rife, even if they are grimly negative. Bodies strung up from lamp poles with placards on them remind the average Pole of who is really in charge, and usually it is Lublin. Some average Poles may be on the road because they made a bad choice out of two bad options in some situation where both sides demanded loyalty. Informers realise that both sides are willing to give precious food or security for information and that there are denunciation networks available to them.



(*I try not to use recent examples for obvious reasons)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_cheeses

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I haven't really gone into it but is the 5th Infantry Division's doomed ride even possible logistically?

The supply lines don't seem to make sense and they sort of would require rail transport to shift the tanks and other heavy equipment. I don't even think the trucks could actually be moved on the alcohol possible to the unit.
Has anyone ever had a look into this?

If it does require a higher level of logistical support it means the collapse the players see is happening really fast as everything just falls to pieces. This kinda follows the historical maxim of "everything varies with time and place" meaning the 5th Infantry division collapses logistically at the worst time when the Soviet units are looming over it.

Another thing that's always made me wonder is "where is the massive supply lines of the Soviet 4th Guards Tank Army?" I know a few logistical units are mentioned but they are nowhere near enough for a unit that's just powered across Poland. They also should be following rail lines now I think on it.
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Distinctive Soviet Tactics developed in the Soviet-Afghanistan War.

Most of the standard soviet tactics are the same as those of the west. However during and after the Soviet-Afghanistan War many innovations and idiosyncratic tactics turned up that are little known outside some tactical appraisal documents. Here's a few:

- Carrying heavy weapons forward.
After dismounting from their carriers soviet troops will lug their 12.7mm HMGs and 30mm AGLs along with them. This extra-heavy weapons group is attached to the normal heavy weapons group. Lightening these weapons and their ammunition has become something of an obsession in Russia since then.

- Bronnegruppa
"The bronegruppa is a temporary grouping of four-five tanks, BMPs or BTRs-or any combination of such vehicles. The BMPs (tracked combat vehicles) or BTRs (wheeled combat vehicles) are deployed without their normally assigned infantry squad on board and fight away from their dismounted troops. The grouping has a significant direct-fire capability and serves as a manoeuvre reserve."

- Enveloping detachments (obkhodiashchii otriad)
A fast moving, hard hitting group designed to sweep around and block avenues. Now, every force does this but this unit was specifically trained in the task. While they might mount an attack from an unexpected direction the emphasis of these troops was speed.
The soviets also radically changed their doctrine and when possible emphasised training in switching rapidly from pre-Soviet-Afghanistan War tactics to post-war ones. This includes armoured columns quickly reorganising into combined arms units for other purposes.

Many of the other innovations don't really carry over into the Twilight War phase. Note that after the Soviet-Afghanistan War there was a heavier emphasis on training for small unit actions, flexible logistics and units operating away from parent units due to the lessons learned in that war.
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I'm reading up on Armoured Reconnaissance and I just encountered probably the most blunt statement of military reality:

"It's pointless to strive for risk-free scouting. Small scout teams are to be sent forward into traps in order to avoid that the whole formation walks into that trap."
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The following is for discussion. It's not a hate-on against GDW and as it's for discussion "it's just a game" is not a valid answer. The point is at the end of the post that we might have something to think about the demise of the 5th Infantry, Mechanised (US) that may not have occurred to other GMs.

Over the decades (sigh, I'm old) I've constantly wondered about aspects of the game. One that's been bothering me a bit lately is the 5th Infantry Division's doomed ride into Poland in what became an unsupported attack that couldn't possibly be sustained.

There are a few main problems. Warfare runs on the trinity of Strategy, Tactics and Logistics and it fails on this basic level in at least two of the points.

The first is that supply-wise it's just not doable and even 17 year old me suspected this back in the old days.

"A typical US armoured division was composed of 350 tanks, 200 Bradley fighting vehicles and 16,000 soldiers. Together their daily supply requirement could amount to 5,000 tons (4,350+ tonnes) of ammunition, 555,000 gallons (2,081,976 litres) of fuel, 300,000 gallons (1,135,624 litres) of water, and 80,000 meals".

Now, obviously the 5th Infantry Division is a shadow of its former self but it's still going to consume a torrent of supplies that people underestimate by orders of magnitude. Remember that the divisions' logistical base will probably have a maximum of five 83 ton stills and all the gathering, monitoring, storage, forage, guarding and so on that takes to maintain all the while the division is actively using that fuel while making it. That goes for all the other stuff as well. Yes, the division was hoarding its supplies but it still looks impossible even then.

Secondly it just looks like they can't hold what they take. Reading up on The Red Ball Express, the logistics of the western allied push into continental Europe, it becomes apparent that your logistical train even using brand new vehicles with fresh lubricants and proper fuel suffer horrific wastage. Fatigue alone killed many drivers and their vehicles before you take into account bad roads and infrastructure and that's before the enemy takes an interest. Just one blown bridge or ambush means this lifeline clogs up. A single division pushing into Indian Country can't secure this line and it probably would have ground to a halt long before the soviets hit it.

Thirdly we have to think for a minute in the context of the situation. That tank ammunition will never be replenished and the troops knew it. Same with the artillery fuzes in the ammo and so on and so on. Driving into a largely static enemy country where the soviets and Poles seem generally happy to stick to their side of the Oder and expending these precious resources seems to make no strategic sense when they should be eliminating Marauders in Germany and rebuilding their side of Europe.

Okay, I've argued why it wouldn't work. But actually in the game it doesn't.

Maybe it was planned that way.

What on earth would make the NATO forces lurch into Poland in an unsustained and unsustainable attack?

Perhaps NATO knew that the soviets were coming with a mobile, well-equipped force that could locally overmatch any units in Germany? If a single division could be placed forwards in its path it's possible that they could knock the momentum out of it and stall it long enough to allow for interior forces to be deployed where it could strike from there. If you think this is insane it actually happened in the Korean War when the US 34th Infantry Regiment, 24th Infantry Division was forward deployed to buy time to allow the US forces and this unit was utterly was destroyed at the Battle of Pyongtaek, although the heroic men of the 34th went in knowing full well what was about to happen. Reading Death of a Division it's obvious that the 5th didn't know they'd end up unsupported and floundering around in Poland without a vital logistical lifeline.

Or maybe some MilGov/CivGov bastardry is involved? Could the preparations for Operation Omega be underway and CivGov is worried that MilGov is about to return several heavily armed, well equipped and battle hardened divisions from Europe? Those units could well decide the whole question in one campaign season. Regardless of that's not actually what Operation Omega was it could easily and probably would be perceived that way. Did some local CivGov supporters organise for at least one division to get so mired in Poland that it couldn't get out?

Did the Soviets pull off an espionage coup? Have they managed to suborn some general somewhere to pull that logistical tail out from under the 5th?
Or did NATO simply panic and cut the 5th loose? Was some higher-up overpromoted past his or her ability and when the 5th wandered off they lost their bottle and drew everyone back over the Oder leaving them out there without support and logistics?

You can bet your PCs are going to suspect just a few of these things.
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Horse Drawn Wagons

This is kinda over-detailed and probably would never feature in a campaign, but it's just some thoughts on why you won't see old-style wooden construction wagons in the Twilight World.

Wooden wagons are insanely complex and require wood crafting skills that simply don't exist on a large scale and take far too long to relearn or teach in the time period. During a national emergency you don't take a huge amount of people out of the workforce and teach them an ancient, almost forgotten-at-the-time massive array of skills. Many years ago as a re-enactor I wanted to make a comparatively crude wagon wheel and I was amazed at the amount of knowledge and equipment it took to make a proper wooden wheel let alone a functioning axle.

But that's not important because welded mild steel is lighter, in some ways more flexible and also more rigid where needed and well understood. Light rubber tyred-wheels are widespread and motorcycle and off-road vehicles make these wheels and axles. There's only a short window where criteria and perhaps even standard plans can be created but I think this would happen.

What would a "developed" version look like?
First off, unless it's cargo-bearing it might not be a rigid frame but rather two articulated units for better manoeuvrability such as some German examples from The Second World War.
Simple box steel frames support a lightweight cargo bed if fitted, probably wooden but thin steel isn't that different in weight. Drop down sides for some cargo versions might be fitted and users could experience the joy of having their fingers mashed when the other person suddenly drops one.
A standard width would allow bows and covers from existing cargo vehicles for light weight weather protection. A lightweight small generator platform under the cargo bed allows for radios and a standard aerial mount would go somewhere, probably forward and just behind the front passenger, however this puts it at risk in fording procedures and a space between operators and payload area might be better. For local protection a small frame between the driver and assistant would hold individual weapons and under their vehicle seats, probably the same all-weather seats from some light vehicle, would be space for ammunition and personal storage. If a battery is fitted (and I can't see why not) there'd probably be convoy marker lights for low visibility mounted on the extremities of the vehicle.
There has to be space for pioneer tools and also to store the horse tack and harness and this usually goes between the payload and operators as well, shifting the power to one side in a metal box.

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So, we talked about the upgraded Super M60, the T-55M2 and others, but there's still a whole lot of ironware that'll be dragged out of reserve and upgraded before being thrown to the front. Two of the big things I like to emphasise with these jobs is that it both won't be an even process, some will have stuff others don't have, and also that no one sends out 1960s vehicles into combat in 1995 without as many upgrades as they can jam in.

There's oodles of the venerable and successful M48 still around in the timeline. After a rocky start (like every vehicle really) it became a bedrock of NATO and really the M60 is only an upgrade of it. However there's aftermarket industries that can be called to the colours to bring these things close to standard and send them into battle (undoubtedly driving the logistics people insane).

The Super M48

Like the Super M60, this is a bringing together of the upgrade kits to a new standard. I think this is a really attractive vehicle.
The hardness of the base M48 armour, a mere 200 BHN, was extremely underwhelming but this actually has a payoff in that low BHN armour spalls less and the comprehensive spall management package in the Super M48 might make this the least spall-prone vehicle of this class in the theatre.

Essentially they take the already upgraded M48 and strip it bare before rebuilding it and replacing everything that can be updated. Forget everything you know about these vehicles and look at some of these fine features . . .

MOLF 48 Fire Control System
L7A3 105mm Rifled Main Gun (this is the Low Recoil Force gun also used on the Stingray)
New electro-hydraulic gun/turret drive and weapon stabilisation system
New roof-mounted primary gunner’s sight with day and night channels
New power pack comprised of a 1000hp MTU MB 837 Ea-500 V12 diesel engine and Renk RK-304 automatic transmission with 4 forward and 4 reverse gears
MG3 coaxial machine gun
Modular appliqué armour
Smoke grenade launchers

These tanks would probably be backing up German and US (the US still had gazillions of them) formations as second line vehicles. Most of the Super M48 package is German manufactured so it'd probably not see use in other theatres.





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I posted about the impressive Dutch M41 DK-1 Walker Bulldog a while back, but Tank Encyclopedia as has just put up an article about the 90mm Cockerill-armed Belgian M41 LCTS 90. This popped up in 1994 and is perfect timing for armies wanting to upgrade their M41s (I'm modelling a Spanish one modified for T2K one now but not with the LCTS turret).

Essentially it just drops the LCTS 90 turret on the basic M41 hull and gives it a gruntier motor.
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More of those things . . .

Textron "Jaguar"

A weird 1996 prototype, the Jaguar was made by a Textron/NORINCO cooperative effort on the Type 59 chassis, the Type 59 being a Chinese T-54/55 with a local flavour and being even more rudimentary. Textron did their magic and you see the creature before you. The Chinese pulled out in 1989 after the Tiananmen Square atrocity and Textron went on without them, developing the critter you see here. Here's what the magic wand did:

-Applique armour
- Upgraded torsion bars, hydropneumatic suspension optional.
- Modified M68/L7 105mm gun firing standard NATO ammunition.
- M240C 7.26mm coaxial MG and M2HB 12.7mm pintle HMG
- Fully stabilised with electrohydraulic gun control and stabilisation system.
- Laser rangefinder and digital fire control
- Detroit Diesel 8V-92TA eight-cylinder diesel developing 750 hp coupled to an Allison Transmission XTG-411 fully automatic transmission

So, where would this sort of thing turn up?
Well, perhaps in the Chinese Theatre as part of the military aid package given to China. You could if you want have a bunch sent over to the European Theatre in some small batches when the supply lines are cut as part of that last throw-over-what-we-can-scrape-up effort if they're sitting around idle and they might even trundle about in the CONUS. Finally, they might be given to forces formerly in the Soviet orbit who were used to working the the T-55s.
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Having played Metro: Exodus recently a good thing was when the party started out with just the engine and tender itself rather than the whole train and then added cars they found elsewhere.

Now, you can't actually do it like in the game as trains nearly never have a big enough platform for the operators and any meaningful load, it would be less than the inside of a humvee. However if you gave them say just the engine/tender combination and a flatcar they could start off with perhaps a box formwork and sandbags and then you can let them add carriages as they go. This actually makes sense as rolling stock is immensely valuable and usually salvaged within an inch of its life if damaged so it should be very rare.

Now add cars. The first car would probably be a boxcar or a passenger carriage. As they don't have the workcar yet they can't do fancy armour but don't forget a flat car can carry about 80 tonnes (80,000kg) when pulled by a steam train and Poland is very flat, so the problem here isn't going to be weight but rather width of armour and internal area. As one of our posters pointed out some time ago it takes a three sandbag thickness wall to be reasonably safe from rifle calibre (7.62mm) rounds, that leaves very little room inside.

Casting about there's an obvious answer; concrete. Concrete only needs 75mm/3" to stop 7.62 x 51mm rounds and if the concrete has a high density of aggregate reinforcement this will break up the rounds and be even more effective (this system was used in WW2 "plastic armour" for merchant ships and was bitumen containing heavy amounts of dolorite road base chips, all held against the superstructure with plywood formboards. It not only stopped the rounds but also snapped off the tips of AP rounds). Remember that automatic weapons attack cover like a jackhammer, they smash the wall until they chew away the protection so embrasures should eventually have metal reinforcement. While simple letter box slits can be made (these are what give pillboxes, a contraction of the term "pillar box", its name) but the firing ports from early IFVs can be chopped out and installed as well. The BMP 3 has them for PKMs!

After the players have built this, tasks involving civil/combat engineering, carpentry and metalworking skills, let them find the work car. This should be the culmination of a hard adventure involving detective work, diplomacy and serious fighting. Once they have this prize they can do some serious armouring and chopping up MBTs and APC/IFVs for armour, mounting turrets and other rail-based battleship stuff is within their reach.

An artillery car usually had two guns in rotating turrets if possible, however one gun and a local defence station was common as well. These guns are run like a battery and need a battery command car (which can replace a local defence station) for targeting and so on. Similarly a mortar car, probably more useful than a howitzer car as the ammo is more abundant, is possible and once again the mighty 2B9M Vasilek screams to be used here but the French Brandt 60mm gun/mortar would be good as well if the GM feels the 2B9M is too powerful. Nearly all these cars, like all cars, also had LMG embrasures and rifle embrasures. Yugoslav trains had twin aero rocket pods in open mounts for serious area saturation (if you've never seen these Soviet monsters been fired check out one of the many youtube videos. They're more like a shotgun)

Twilight 2000 being what it is a medical bay will be needed. If clearly marked all main force enemies will try and refrain from targeting this car but marauders or stragglers should be handled on a case by case basis. It needs wide doors to get stretcher cases in and should also have the living quarters for the medical staff. Of all cars this and the engine should be gasproofed first.

The command car can be part of the passenger car. Here the train is "conned", targets are identified and threats assessed. This is where an officer NPC should be as they fight their battle and update the tactical specialists to the shifting battle conditions and keep them on-mission. This individual makes the call when the train is moved.

Those flatbeds that can carry 80,000kg? Yes, there's no MBT that weighs that much. An MBT can be dragged along at the rear of the train and with the right ramp gear can detrain itself although usually an unloading team and ground guides are needed. Even if they don't have the fuel to manouevre they can be unloaded and driven to an overwatch position with an accompanying security team of infantry. This is one of the few ways you can keep your Abrams in play. Of course if you have the length you can drag all sorts of vehicles along to extend the reach of the characters, but having never unloaded a train I'll leave the process to some of the wise people here.

A flat car of rail ties and timbers gets added at some point.

A horse box gives the players a cavalry contingent that is sheltered from splinters and small arms fire.

Finally, you must have a scout vehicle(s).
Due to the nature of the vehicles they should have originally been four wheeled vehicles, 6x6 or 8x8 don't really work and tracks require making an entirely new lower chassis, and should ideally be former APCs or IFVs. These can also drag rail trailers of up to 10 tonnes (10,000kg) load and use a tiny amount of fuel. Nazi Germany would have two to four of these little things that worked in teams, a scout team and a support team of which two would have turrets. These check out the tracks ahead, go down side rails to see what's there and also which line of track is the least dangerous or damaged. Stations, always a danger spot, should be carefully checked out and a foot sweep is almost mandatory.

Back to Metro: Exodus.
While I like the game you can't really lounge against the side of the engine, that thing is full of pipes of boiling steam and even spaced armour will get absurdly hot.
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Blockhouses

A "blocking house" is an outmoded term for any singular strongpoint that allows a small amount if troops to hold down the approaches to any area. A blockhouse differs from most positions due to its heavy nature and the small amount of troops it holds. Notably a blockhouse does not hold the element that patrols its area.
The primary role of a Blockhouse is domination. A Blockhouse can restrict avenues of approach, they can overawe settlements and they minimise the numbers of troops needed in these roles.

They suffer from some serious problems in Twilight 2000 in that light automatic cannon on mobile platforms are still common as are rocket propelled grenades. As these systems are all mobile and have engagement ranges far in excess of the average 1,300m engagement range of the Polish theatre* they can be engaged by direct fire with destructive effect. This means the standard military Blockhouse will change in form but not role.

The need for a two or more story structure remains. However the lower element will be the main fighting position and the upper element will be a lighter observation platform. Due to the prevalence of accurate point fire systems such as designated marksman rifles all observation should be by either periscope or camouflaged observation positions. During combat these positions should be evacuated.

Blockhouses differ from many positions in that they do not have external supporting works. There are usually no external fire trenches or gun pits to cover the work's flanks as there is simply too small a garrison to occupy them. A blockhouse instead usually relies heavily on belts of mines and obstacles to delay attackers until a ready reserve can arrive or the position falls .

Blockhouses are not a universal answer to low troops numbers. In many cases a commander will prefer a normal position designed to be evacuated when under pressure as a delaying and alert measure. A Blockhouse is usually only erected when a small unit must fight in place and cannot retreat while awaiting relief.

Use in the game.

The enemy will erect Blockhouses on the final approaches to vital settlements or along supply routes. Players will encounter these tough nuts when they're getting too close to a main force unit. As blockhouses are often resupply points for patrols and radio relay stations they will be defended with more than usual persistence.

These positions make a good starting point for non-Kalisz campaigns. The players can be a patrol checking in on a Blockhouse or the tiny microcosm of mismatched troops dropped in the Blockhouse and told hold down a sector. Later they hear that their parent unit is being overrun, has an internal revolution or some other thing that pushes them out of the position and onto the road. They can also be a position the players are put in if they make it back to allied lines and you are not using something similar to Operation Omega. This keeps them in a good spot, gives them a forward fighting position largely up to their own devices and still lets them go to the parent unit for some R&R.

(*This is from a Cold War Warsaw Pact estimate)
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2000ad Winter Die-Off

In our nice, well supported lives with amazing just-in-time civilian logistical systems and established infrastructure we tend to view winter as an interesting turning of the seasons whereas for people in a devastated world without support, stores or communications the implacable onset of winter, nuclear or not, is viewed with a sense of sick, helpless dread.

Currently I'm thinking the death rate from exposure, illness and malnutrition among survivors across nuclear Poland will be on the order of 25%+ and in some regions far higher. This should be the worst winter in human history for death, exceeding such times as various famines and epidemics. This is due to the fact that in many places the extreme effects of no-holds-barred Hot War will have wiped the landscape clean of not only life but the means of supporting life. Simply put, anyone who tries to stay in these zones is doomed.

Gas attacks contaminate the ground, not only making cropping poisonous if even possible (and the survivors have no way of knowing their meagre crops are contaminated) but also incapable of supporting game. Nuclear strikes litter the areas with heavy metals such as iodine, cobalt and others that continue to contaminate the area. This hidden killer, undetectable without equipment (although the OCP, Poland's Civil Defence Units, had a large amount of these) will kill for centuries. Finally the much underestimated bioweapons and mother nature's homegrown horrors tend to thrive in winter environments as sanitation is generally poorer, survivors huddle together in small environments and desperate and infected people are made into refugees who flee famine and infect others until they are literally met with violence.

Yet it is famine that kills the most. Marauder groups almost never have enough supplies and by definition their survival tactic is purely to take what little anyone else has until they scour the area around them and then have to move on. Food preservation is a difficult and dangerous science, before the modern era it was one of the vital tasks of the female gender role to the point where armies took their women with them on the march, and getting it wrong means trying to reclaim spoiled food: often a lethal "Hobbe's Choice". Military units who's main concept of interaction with the world is often brute force tend to stock up on food by viewing it as the strategic resource it is. They might ruthlessly triage civilians and even troops as "useful mouths" and "useless mouths", expelling those that threaten the whole, adding to those adrift in the snows.

For those on the move seeking food there is usually no good outcomes no matter what actions they take. Some of the harsh winters during The Hundred Years Wars saw the annihilation of entire regions that along with the Black Plague did not recover even thin population densities for three centuries. Attempting to fight for food puts these people up against those who are willing to fight to keep it. Looking for food is pointless; the secret of success is finding, producing and holding onto food well in advance of winter.

So what do the players do in this dismal setting?

Hopefully they will only be dimly aware of most of it, much of what they discover of the situation will only be apparent in the spring. However they will constantly come across three situations, all similar. This is either civilians, marauders or military units looking for food.

As noted above they are vectors of disease. In a previous post I also mentioned that food intake has to be higher for combat situations, so players will want to limit these at all costs. Finally there's some simply awful choices to make.

Marauders are easy; everyone hates bandits no matter where they come from and they can be dealt with out of hand. Military units are more of a problem, they will view the players as a tactical problem and of course can choose when and how to attack within a certain window, giving them the tactical initiative. Attacking civilians are rare, instead they will simply implore the players to help and may just try and stay as at least under the player's defence area it is safer than elsewhere.

Some things can happen to the players to force them out into the countryside. Raids aimed at their supplies might penetrate their position and even if they don't take any supplies the food store might be damaged in the process. Food spoilage might occur, even "domestic food" has a shelf life and sudden levels of wastage might force the players to head off to a rumoured food source. Finally they might take pity on another group and seek out food for them (I would immensely reward players risking themselves for this)
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Safe at last!

So, the PCs have fought their way across the hell of Twilight 2000 and have re-joined a military unit. Now, they can rest and get back to soldiering, getting ordered around and inevitably losing a lot of their agency . . . .

We can't have that now, can we?

First off, the good bits. The PCs should be rewarded. They shouldn't strive for something and be penalised for doing what they were expected to do. They probably have a lot of stuff they've accumulated and you want to prune that away. I'd do so but reward them by upgrading a significant bit of kit. Have the unit gift them something hardcore like an M2 Bradley if you feel the need to take a bunch of stuff away so they don't feel cheated.

Now, do some housecleaning. Players operate best when they are mean and lean. Cutting away NPCs and excess vehicles/kit makes them have to actually get out in the weeds and adventure again rather than just detailing a bunch of drones to do stuff for them. Don't kill these people off, send them elsewhere so the players are a small tight unit once again.

Now, time to pull the house down.

The unit they rejoin has a much-respected commander and a few sub commanders. You can crib wildly off RE Howard's Conan books here by making each of these sub commanders either a NATO national and/or specialist troop type. Each of them has adherents, fiercely loyal to themselves (this is in all Conan's intrigues). Take the time to let the PCs get to know these people. Now, something happens. Maybe Spetznaz/partisans get in and kill the commander. Maybe there's an internal revolution. Maybe one sub commander kills another and the overall commander dies in the crossfire. However the CO is dead and that's vital as he was the glue that held everyone together.

At some point one guy who may or may not be the guilty party fingers the players as the cause. The unit dissolves into internecine fighting but significantly all parties are gunning for the players. The fact that a civil war is going on means they can't combine to take the players out in a coherent fashion and gives the PCs time to slip away and hit the road again, maybe whacking one of the treacherous bastards on the way out and increasing the mayhem.
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Remember the "Giraffe" Abrams? 🙂

If you like things like that there was also a slew of oddities on the other side, probably the closest that came to fruition was Obyekt 195 "T-95", a truly frightening monster of an MBT mounting a 152mm smoothbore gun and featuring many of the aspects that would come to pass on the T-14 "Armata" such as the turbocharged diesel engine and remote turret.

While it seemed fairly unlikely at the time it was a possible rare tank that might have been fielded in small numbers. It's unknown if it was to have the same heavy IFV and APC versions that the T-14 has it but would definitely work in close coordination with the most up to date Soviet versions.

It would have featured either a prototype Relikt ERA or the existing Kontakt-5 ERA. It had a funky 30mm co-axial automatic cannon, Shtora-1 laser jammer and Drozd active counter measures as well as the first Russian thermographic system.

Its backbone is the 152 mm 2A83 smoothbore gun, now awaiting further development. This is no low velocity gun but a special system with a long-throw autoloader so it could fire very long-rod APFSDS rounds, heavy ATGMs equal to Hellfire or TOW and honking great HE or HEAT rounds.

All in all it would have been a bad thing to have on the other side. In real life it was deferred as too many parts were sourced from successor states so a total redesign was done that put it back until now.

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Q: What sort of tents did the Soviets use?
A: None.


Actually, that's a lie. The Soviet army did use tents but they were mandated for use only in night marches.

Instead they used Dugouts.

(Note these are not fortifications but accommodation even though they do allow some protection from fragments.)

Each Motor Rifle Section would prepare a dugout and it should be able to be completed within 24 hours while still standing watches etc. It requires a total of 100 man hours work using the following components:

12 x 2.5 m poles (sourced locally)
70 x 6.0 m poles (sourced locally)
120 x 5.5 m planks (sourced locally)
12 x 2.0m poles (sourced locally)
5m³ spruce branches (sourced locally)
8 kg wire
2 x roofing iron
1 x field oven
1 x door
1 x window

These 1 metre-deep positions had a triangular roof made of 3cm to 5cm round logs laid over 5cm to 11cm supports and then covered by a layer of clay 15cm to 25cm thick and then covered by turf. The supports would be either nailed or wired together.

A normal individual can stand upright inside the dugout and each bed is 30cm to 60cm wide and 1.8m long. Duffel bags are placed at the head of the bed.

Winterisation is achieved by the application of more clay on the end walls and drainage ditches around the position. Many dugouts had electrical power sourced form a generator position.

While this dugout was standard other sizes existed, some capable of housing a motorised rifle platoon.













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The Vistula to Warta water route.

Next time your PCs are playing through Pirates of the Vistula they might want to know that at Bydgoszcz on the Vistula there's a canal that runs in a dead straight east-west line towards the Notec River. The Notec is a tributary of the Warta which is a tributary of the Oder and at that point they're back in friendly lines (or so they think).

Now, this isn't going to be easy. For a start this looks like a really good supply line for Warsaw Pact units. Bydgoszcz is listed as a devastated ruin (nearly always a campaign in their own right) and is 50km downriver from (ie: they have to go past) the Soviet 22nd Cavalry Army HQ at Torun along with the Soviet 96th Cav. If they somehow get past this impressive force and its widespread reinforcements then they can sneak into Bydgoszcz and see if the canal is still open. Now, Bydgoszcz and the canal is where the Soviet 207th Motorized Rifle Division fell to bits. According to the rules only a few of the components became marauders and the rest seem to have realised the realities of the situation and have just became locals. This makes a good place to transit.

The river continues on east through wild country and then suddenly heads south. During this phase you start to meet Polish units. Now, as there's Polish Free legion activity in this area it might be pretty hostile to say the least as these two powers vie for control with the balance of power being on the Polish People's Army's side. Unfortunately the Notec runs right past Czarnkow where it heads west again and under a town bridge, Czarnkow being the home turf of the 2nd Polish Army HQ! (I told you this might be a supply line . . . ) The 2nd Poles have only their own security units with them but the surrounding region is soaked with Polish units. This might still be doable if the players have evaded any previous pursuit, kept a low profile recently and go hard and don't stop until they're out of the location. However the Poles certainly aren't stupid and if the players are detected at all they'll know a boat can't get off the river and they will go looking for them. However the Notec often has little parallel courses running alongside it on Google Maps and the players can pull some cool cat and mouse stuff here. If they are detected though they're going through the AO of the Polish 17th Cav who will not be happy to see them. However the 17th are light on heavy units and spread thin so once again not getting bogged down might work here.

However, all good things must pass. After this the river runs a west south west course and runs straight into some of the heavier Soviet units in the barrier positions and almost certainly becomes a supply line if it already isn't. The hard part is done though, once through the Polish 17th Cav the way north west to NATO lines is free of known WarPact units and is only a howling desolation of ruins that is the Oder-Warta Valley.

Now, if this is a supply line as I've been talking about it can still be done. Supply lines are not only goodies going forwards but they are also goodies going back, and these might be NATO equipment both large and small and even NATO POWs. A bit of actual river piracy suits most PCs quite well and lying up before storming WarPact vessels for some gripping boarding actions to get resupply might be fun. Actions do get reactions though and if you want to see quick reactions from a unit just interdict its supply line and see what happens. Even if these lines are only token things they are still vital, I'd say a lot of these units that fragment had supply cut off shortly beforehand.
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