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Old 12-20-2008, 07:29 AM
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Default What happened to all those guns?

I was re-reading Urban Guerilla and was puzzled a lack of firearms in the hands of anti-New America militias. I think this was used as a plot device without thought of the huge number of firearms in the U.S. Estimates from the late 1990's indicate approximately 65 million handguns, 70 million rifles, and 49 million shotguns owned by private citizens. Not included in this figure are firearms issued by police and military, those held in reserve by our government, or those held illegally.

To put a little perspective on those numbers, I should point out that prior to the outbreak of WWIII 40% of American households contained firearms, constituting 25% of the adult population, though about 100 million of those guns were concentrated in the hands of ten million Americans.

The large number of civilian deaths has left over 200 million guns in the hands of approximately 135 million American survivors, only about half of whom are relatively fit adults. Today, no one dreams of traveling unarmed, and in many defensive co-operatives even young teenagers and the elderly carry at least a pistol, while proven marksmen who manage to stay cool under fire are soon equipped with superior weapons. The wealth of firearms is offset by the lack of ammunition motivating even enthusiastic gunsels to develop basic fire discipline.

Ammunition is the main limiting factor in T2K, with the more exotic calibers soon running dry. However, it would be a desperate co-op/militia that did not have a reserve of ammo to repulse a determined marauder attack. Americans who collect firearms often keep large lots of ammunition available, and some are accomplished re-loaders as well. Even with WWIII looming, military units in the U.S. would keep a reserve of ammunition, as would most major law enforcements agencies and police forces. For several years after the exchange, a shrinking number of survivors will posses an ever increasing stockpile of firearms, while urgently searching the ruins for ammo.

What this means in my U.S. campaign is the average militia-person will be carrying a pistol and either a rifle or a shotgun. He or she will usually be a civilian with some experience guarding and patrolling their community. Many militias employ experienced hunters whose superiour marksmanship suits them in their role of sniper. Perhaps one in ten militia members is a former law enforcement officer or National Guardsman with a "military" type weapon capable of full-automatic fire. Only defensive co-ops with military units stationed within will be armed with heavy weapons. Defensive co-ops are just that. They were formed with the specific intent to protect a farmstead/village/town etc. Some co-ops send out small patrols if they detect a group approaching, others simply raise an alarm that commits every armed person to a defensive position or strong point.

The average marauder is different; many of these semi-nomadic predators are former criminals who carry a pistol and either a rifle, shotgun, or "military" grade weapon. I class illegally converted sub-machine guns like Uzi's and Mac-10's in addition to AK-47's and the more common M231's and M16/M16EZ's as "military" grade. The core of most respectable marauder groups consists of individuals who were well armed before the bombs fell, and whether it is a former street or biker gang, organized crime associates, a cohort of drug dealers, or a rogue military unit, these groups typically turned on their neighbors within days and weeks of the bombs dropping. A few of the most organized gangs had plans in place for major social collapse; pawn shops, gun stores, and pharmacies were robbed and burglarized by well-armed looters before the first mushroom clouds dissipated. Many of these criminal groups lived outside conventional social boundaries prior to nuclear war, and were accustomed to victimizing and exploiting weaker members of society even when doing so carried significant risk; the falling of the bombs and the associated disappearance of all social and legal consequences has only given greater reign to their savage and sadistic natures. The abundance of firearms in the hands of such brutal thugs makes living in the T2K U.S. very dangerous.

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Old 12-20-2008, 09:48 AM
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I'm kind of stunned at those firearms numbers but even though I didn't know exactly how many firearms there were in the US there have still ben a plethora of weapons turn up in the CONUS part of my campaign. I made sure to have quite a marked difference between the quantities and quality of firearms in the hands of civilians in Europe and the CONUS. Major Po's unit has always accumulated large numbers of (mostly low quality, civilian type) firearms since being back in the US and tend to trade them with civilian groups for various goods or as bribes. Ammunition in the hands of civilians has been fairly limited in my campaign with a few exceptions.
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:05 AM
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Yes, that's a LOT of weapons in the hands of relatively few.
In my opinion you've hit on a good point with a lot of weapons of the less common calibres running out of ammo in a hurry. Then there's the nukes which would have destroyed weapons along with their owners and irradiated a hell of a lot more. Metal I believe retains dangerous levels of radioactivity for a very long time - therefore a lot of those weapons may still exist, but only the extremely desperate (or stupid) would risk even going near them (let alone into the general area they're lying in).

Another factor would be general decay - owners die from radiation/disease/starvation/exposure/etc somewhere out of sight and the weapon quickly rusts into uselessness.

Additionally, huge numbers of people in the wake of the nukes would be seeking aid from the various refugee camps set up. Perhaps access to them was dependant on giving up any weapons which, unless usable by the police, militia or military, were destroyed - can't have an armed, hungry and starving mob can we?

A percentage of those remaining would have been damaged due to improper or non-existent maintenance. Like most vehicles, a firearm requires oil if it's used regularly (or even just taken out of storage). without it, rust soon develops, rendering the weapon dangerous, inoperable or both.

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