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Figured we could use a general ORBAT link thread. Both real world and gaming ORBATs are welcome.
Found this link today to the Real world 1989 Nato/European orbat. http://www.scribd.com/doc/37695/NATO...of-Battle-1989 Seems pretty thorough. It even includes non aligned European countries like Austria, Ireland, Finland and Switzerland. You have to register to download but it is pretty easy. Additional ORBAT threads French Orbat |
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Excellent work gentlemen.
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http://orbat.com/site/history/histor...arsawpact.html
This link goes with the NATO OOB above. It also has the same OOB that is easier to download IMO since you don't have to join anything. Grae |
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I'll have the Pact western, northwestern and southwestern TVDs detailed (regiment/battalion-level) orbat done hopefully by year end, along with a revised division and army-level worldwide Pact orbat to go on my site.
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I would love to see an ORBAT for the v1.0 T2K reunified Germany. Creating such an ORBAT would be quite a challenge. One would have to start with a projected West German ORBAT, then add a projected DDR one, accounting for unit attrition/destruction on the China Front pre-97. Also, to make it even more complicated, I would assume some E. German units, especially Border Guard units, would stay loyal to the WTO. And then there's the matter of material incompatability.
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Thanks Chico. Before I get there however, do they, or anyone, have the OOB for such as China, the Koreas, Iraq and PG nations for the 1989 period? I have the ISS BoP for then, but it is really generalized. Wondered if anyone had done the numbers game (ie regimental numbers and above, or at least brigades and divisions)
Tanks again, Grae |
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Thanks, Chico!
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Has anyone got, or know where to find the 1990 Orbat for New Zealand!? My googlefu is failing me.
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Leg,
Give me about 24 hours I might have it on my PC at home. Off the top of my head. - 2 reg. Inf Bns (one always in Malaysia), 6 TA Inf Bns - 3 TA Armd Sqns (M113's & Scorpion CVR (T)) - 2 RNZA Regts, mixed reg & TA I believe the war plan was to form a Bde Grp from these units to serve outside NZ ( numbered "7" as that was the next number in-line. 1-3 were from the Great War NZEF, 4-6 were from the 2nd NZEF) I'll PM you with my notes if you need them. |
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Brilliant! Thanks.
I'm working on final touches to Australian and New Zealand troops which may have been sent to Korea. It's interesting to note the UN troops came under attack from North Korea within a few days of NATO troops (not including Germans) crossed into Poland. My thoughts are North Korea saw an opportunity and jumped at it.
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Leg,
Sorry only have it from 2004. My notes for 1990 are the following: NZ Army After the 1983 Review the Army prepared to field the following 1) The Ready Reaction Force which was a Bn Grp based on 2/1 RNZIR 2) The Integrated Expansion Force (17 units)which was Bde Grp sized would be able to follow up 90 days after mobilization. It would consist of the following units -3 Inf Bns formed from the 2 thru 7 Bns of the RNZIR (all TF) -1 RNZAC Sqn formed from 1)Queen Alexandra's Sqn (Scorpion CVR (T)) RF 2)Waikato/Wellington East Coast Sqn (M113A1) RF/TF 3)1st NZ Scottish Sqn (M113A1) RF/TF 4)2nd NZ Scottish Sqn (M113A1) TF - 16 Field Rgt, RNZA HQ, 162 Fd Bty, & LAD RF 11(A) & 22 (D) Fd Btys TF 4 (G) Md Bty TF 43 LAD Bty RF/TF (This left 3 Fd Rgt as a training cadre with 31 (B) & 32 (E) Fd Btys) -1 Field Sqn, RNZE (HQ & 1 Fd Tp RF: 2 & 3 Tps TF) - 1 Transport Sqn, RNZCT (HQ & 11 Tp RF, 12, 13, & 14 Tps TF) There was also a Force Maintinence Group of 19 units to provide logistical support to both forces. |
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Damn!
Well, better than nothing I suppose... Thanks.
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cool Louied, thanks for the info. I've been looking for a New Zealand orbat as well.
Here's an interesting tidbit about 2/1 RNZIR from wikipedia (insert link tool isn't working for me so url follows) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_N...antry_Regiment "In 1989 the 2/1st Battalion designated A Company as Ranger Company and trained in several specialist fields, being cliff assault, boat assault, helo rappelling, and parachuting this was in effect for less than 1 year and reverted to A Company in 1990 although training in the above courses was still undertaken as late as 1995. Officially A Company or POE Company (Point of Entry Company) was staffed exclusively by Parachute Trained volunteer's (manned at approximately 120 soldiers, Company strength trained at Parachute Training School Unit based in Wheneuapai, Auckland staffed by RNZAF) exchanges took place between other parachute allied countries (Exercise Long look) including the Parachute Regiment and Commandos of the United Kingdom and 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian Regiment (3 RAR) until in 1997 this role was also stripped from A Company which then reverted to a normal infantry company." So, in the T2k timeline, NZ would have a company's worth of light infantry that performs similar function as US Army Rangers. |
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UK Territorial Army 1967-2000 - uploaded the pdf - here is the page it was at
https://www.orbat85.nl/documents/The...01967-2000.pdf |
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I recognize that I'm about 14 years too late for this discussion, but it appears as though a lot of these links are no longer valid/available.
Does anyone have good links for or collections of national OrBats from the early-mid 90s? I will take literally anything I can get my hands on. Thanks all. |
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This isnt exactly 90s but late 80s. theyre on the left hand side. Should be a nice start for you.
http://www.microarmormayhem.com/ |
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