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Great spot @Shrike6! I just looked it up and NJ lost two Mech Bns Sept 1 1991
So this must have been to replace at least one.
It also lost 2 armored Battalions of the 102nd as well in 1991. Guessing it lost a whole NJ brigade at that time. The 36th was missing a mech infantry btn on its formation. Given the location of the btn makes more sense that it was filling that spot imo.
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Old 09-27-2021, 03:38 PM
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Yep 1st and 2nd Brigade consolidated in 1991. https://njmilitiamuseum.org/unit-lineages/50-infantry So 50 th Armored division would have 2 Bdes at the time looked like this:

50th AD in 1991

1st Bde

2-103rd Armor
3-103rd Armor
2-113th infantry
1-114th Infantry

36th Bde
7-112th Armor
8-112th Armor

????
4-156th Infantry
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Old 09-27-2021, 09:20 PM
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I came up with the same thing.......I wonder if the Mech Bn in LA was programmed pre-Quicksilver reductions. I have anecdotal evidence that the NJ element was only at 75% manning. I would love to see the plans for the NE Divs if the Wall didn't come down (42 ID was having trouble recruiting the 3rd Bde to replace 27IB)
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Old 09-28-2021, 01:20 AM
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I came up with the same thing.......I wonder if the Mech Bn in LA was programmed pre-Quicksilver reductions. I have anecdotal evidence that the NJ element was only at 75% manning. I would love to see the plans for the NE Divs if the Wall didn't come down (42 ID was having trouble recruiting the 3rd Bde to replace 27IB)
I think thats a good guess. It would have been under a pre AOE TOE. Under those TOEs an Armored Division would have had 10 btns and 50AD only had 9 pre 91.
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@shrike6

It looks like 50AD converted to J Series TO&E in 1987 from that 1990 realignment PDF I posted. So by 1991 it was the only Heavy Div that wasn’t converted to L Series. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a plan to either merge the NJ element with 42 ID and the TX/LA part the base for another Div….
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Does anyone here have both the J and L TOE at hand or could send/link me a copy?
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Old 09-29-2021, 11:20 AM
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Does anyone here have both the J and L TOE at hand or could send/link me a copy?
https://man.fas.org/dod-101/army/unit/toe/index.html
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Old 09-29-2021, 04:07 PM
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Thanks for that. I totally forgot about that directory.
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I've said this in other threads, but 2ID in Korea in the 1980s and early 90s had a strange organization for their three infantry brigades. 1st and 2nd Brigade were standard mechanized infantry brigades. But 3rd Brigade was weird -- one light infantry battalion, one Air Assault battalion, and one Airborne battalion.

3rd Brigade was an experimental organization, however, and last I heard, it was a Stryker Brigade.
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I wondered if that 3rd brigade was meant to be helicoptered as needed as a quick reserve, or possibly airliftable as a strategic reserve for the Pacific theater, or simply easily airliftable from Ft. Lewis to the ROK?

ISTR the 7th and 25th divisions were restructured as Light, in hopes of being able to airlift them to ROK (or somewhere else) in a hurry. Some of 7th ID's battalions did just that in Panama, 1989.
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IIRC, someone here or on another forum stated the standard Inf Bde Bns manned posts along the DMZ...
Was this the case?

Found something interesting on topic, don’t know the date though:

2D INFANTRY DIVISION FORCE STRUCTURE REORGANIZATION

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...15MN002570.pdf

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Thanks for that. I totally forgot about that directory.
Excellent thread at the TO&E group with downloads...


https://groups.io/g/TOandEs/topic/us...86310016844407
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Fantastic! Very useful, thanks!
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